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Beyond mass.n trying to figure out who the other senator was spied on. i know i was spied on and i was en masse. what is going on here? the obama administration, were they responding on all the candidates running against hillary? >> about two weeks before he left office, president obama sign in order that had the effect of pushing out to widespread 17 or more agencies. raw intelligence will share the data. what that means is you decrease the number of people who could be data and you also make it correspond when it is difficult to detect. would you marry that to the fact you have people asking...

Terms of the dynamics of the race. >> you know i think, chris, he probably means that or as a cultural and symbolic thing than an ideological thing. he's from scranton and he's got that working class catholic thing going so i think he probably means that more than actual specific economic positions that one would identify as centrist. i would bet he would try to find space on the quasi-populist left because that's where the action is. he's not going to get anywhere saying, you know, i want to uphold the bob ruben legacy. >> or, you know, deficits are the problem. but the -- rebecca -- >> but t...