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To permit him even to air his views. so great was his heresy. in his brief, brilliant forthcoming book, the once and future liberal, it's written that sent a strong signal to working class catholic and evangelical voters that if they did not fall in line on this one issue they were in longer welcome in the party. i wonder if today the democrats are making the same mistake on immigration. to be clear, i think that the bill that the republicans rolled out this week is bad public policy and mean-spirited symbolism. but that's not the issue. this book acknowledges that he is a pro-choice absolutis...

Gives us to sort out what biden stands for and i'm not sure what biden stands for that's different from the centrist nightmare of what hillary might have stood for. though now she's moved left. so what is he going to do? run to the right offer? that seems like a bad idea. >> that's the thing. there was one line from one of biden's people anonymously talking about the coalition he was put together and it was like this bizarre thing about it was going to be -- oh, there it is, reagan democrats, jews and lgbt base that pushed barack obama in gay marriage and rust belt voters. i was like what are ...

Terms of the dynamics of the race. >> you know i think, chris, he probably means that or as a cultural and symbolic thing than an ideological thing. he's from scranton and he's got that working class catholic thing going so i think he probably means that more than actual specific economic positions that one would identify as centrist. i would bet he would try to find space on the quasi-populist left because that's where the action is. he's not going to get anywhere saying, you know, i want to uphold the bob ruben legacy. >> or, you know, deficits are the problem. but the -- rebecca -- >> but t...

Gay marriage and rust belt voters. i was like what are you talking about? and also the reagan voters made me think maybe he thinks there's space on the right of hillary? and that would be strange in terms of the dynamics of the race. >> you know i think, chris, he probably means that or as a cultural and symbolic thing than an ideological thing. he's from scranton and he's got that working class catholic thing going so i think he probably means that more than actual specific economic positions that one would identify as centrist. i would bet he would try to find space on the quasi-populist lef...

Future. they could have gone with marco rubio, risky choice in some ways but a choice that talks about the future, a choice that we can't be 90% in a party that is diversifying this rapidly. we're going to take this chance. instead, the chance that they took was paul ryan who is about as white-bred as paul ryan. part of why i wrote my book is paul ryan is the sort of person considered the white working class representative. >> right. >> he's a well to do kid in janesville. he's never spent a day in working class in his life. but he's middle class in comparison to mitt romney. i'm a working cla...