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12 or a squadron of tanks or an army of 190, 000, that's not relevant. this is an invasion. that's what's occurring. we need to deal with it as such, and that means a significant package of response from the west, ali. >> a significant package of response from the west and that means two things. i was talking to master mcfaul earlier, sanctions, diplomacy and it means something to do with nato. all these nato countries, let's put the map up of what nato looks like today. there are a lot of nato countries around ukraine. what are they planning to do? >> i think there are three things that alien...

>> i see it as an invasion. in addition to being supreme allied commander nato, i was after that the dean of the school of law and diplomacy at the university, leading graduate school of international relations and international law. there's a definition for an invasion. it's the imposition of armed troops for political purposes and to a sovereign country without the consent of that nation, whether it's a squad of 12 or squadron of tanks or an army of 190, 000, that's not relevant. this is an invasion. that's what's occurring. we need to deal with it as such, and that means a significant packa...

Needs to stay nonpartisan. can you speak to that? >> yes, i think this is absolutely essential for all government agencies because we are the continuity government and we need to be able to serve every president that's elected in a nonpartisan way. obviously, there's a debate about what policies should be. but then once the decision is made there needs to be the confidence that the career civil service and fort officers are going to move forward and implement that policy. >> i know i'm out of time, but master mcfaul, i always have to make time to ask you about just how desperate putin is. he's...

I don't know what time you work because every time i am on tv, you are on tv. >> i appreciate it because you make us smarter. >> reporter: joining us now who previously served as a department leader of a foreign party. vladimir, i had the opportunity to speak with you this weekend following what master mcfaul was saying. you are saying there are work to be done to get the real story to the russians people. if russian people got more of actual news as oppose to the spin combined with the economic pressure they are feeling. it may turn people against putin. >> absolutely. it is mind boggling how...

Government agencies because we are the continuity government and we need to be able to serve every president that's elected in a nonpartisan way. obviously, there's a debate about what policies should be. but then once the decision is made there needs to be the confidence that the career civil service and fort officers are going to move forward and implement that policy. >> i know i'm out of time, but master mcfaul, i always have to make time to ask you about just how desperate putin's. he's reportedly recruiting syrian fighters for this war. but earlier today, as our foreign affairs officer m...