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>> reporter: i will drinking coughy and lookingñr for the tweets no doubt. and joe biden, they have a sixth podium waiting for the vice-president. and no signs of him diverting his planes west. i spoke to a top fundraiser and he said he believes he getting in but anyone's guess. he is leaning and get in after the debate and not show up here tonight in las vegas. that would obviously scramble things big time. hillary clinton came out still leading the pack. and still watching bernie sanders close on her heels. and vice-president joe boyd bide if he gets in. and here's what is interesting in th...

The person everyone want to get in the race they feel sweet on. when he gets in and starts talking and campaigning we may see a different story. we don't know at this point. i want to put up this number. hillary clinton down 16 points since june against her opponents. and steve, this may be, the last take we had on her and how she sacked up against republicans she was beating them. she is no longer beating the candidates in head-to-head gop match ups. >> this is a pretty steep drop. not just a gradual erosion. it is best explained by the loss of hillary clinton among independents and republica...

They should do that. but they should realize hillary clinton's position is right in the mainstream of where americans are not just the democratic party. >> is he right about that, matt? >> i look at the numbers. head-to-head match ups with republicans and hillary clinton is trailing badly. one of the reasons why is because the word of this cycle is authenticity. why doesn't she stand up on one issue and tell the base of the party she is in a different place? that would be courage. >> she did that about iraq. >> she said she made a mistake and changed her mind. i think brad is right. a lot of a...

>> a new national cbs poll released on the eve of the debate shows hillary clinton holding her solid lead at 46% with bernie sanders holding steadily in second place at 127% and joe biden running third to bernie sanders at 16%. that same poll shows that if joe biden is not a candidate hillary clinton would get two-thirds of biden's supporters pushing her up to 56% and bernie sanders would pick up the rest and move up to 32%. joining us now richard wolffe, executive editor of msnbc.com and margie, democratic pollster for purple strategies. margie, these polls with biden in, biden out, clearly...

>> we showed earlier this week iowa and new hampshire poles, match ups between a lot of republicans and democrats, you against hillary clinton, you're up by 14 points in the general election against hillary clinton. i think you're up by 8 in new hampshire. we also showed a lot of poles in the primary as well and i guess the question is while democrats do find you as mika has said horrifying. >> no, terrifying. >> mika said the democrats find you terrifying. the question is how do you get to the general election and get past donald trump, ben carson and the others ahead of you in a lot of other...