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How? it's a material misstatement of the fact to deceive. we've pushed back on propaganda before. and the president is the only person that can start a war, not the press. and it's exactly his vast power, that's why people like don lemon hold him to account. lies are dangerous. >> you know what projections are, and i say chris, you're projecting. >> you actually do say that. >> if you will listen to this president, what he says, what he tweets, what he writes, it's always projection. whatever he says about someone else is usually true about him. whatever he's trying to hide he usually puts tha...

At what cost? >> i'll tell you as much as it would usually make me jealous and angry towards you to be maen mentioned in the same sentence with lebron james, it is warranted here because you both were bringing about the best in what that situation was supposed to be. here's what the president tweeted about us. the fake news hates me saying they're the enemy of the people only because they know it's true. i'm providing a great service by explaining this to the american people. they purposely cause great division and distrust. they can also cause war. they are very dangerous and sick. now, this ...

Tells us he does want to avoid a protracted battle that will ultimately decide whether or not a president had been subpoenaed for his testimony. we already know he can be forced to produce documents. we learned that in the nixon case. what we will learn next if there is a battle is whether or not the president had been subpoenaed and the weight of legal authority and legal scholarship says that he can. >> joyce answer this for me, for us non-legal minds f. the president somehow negotiates a conversation of sorts an interview of sorts with the mueller legal team, is he in danger of purerjuring ...

Didn't feel like he needed to get ready for those debates. he was ready as is. so why do you think he's agreeing to this prep now? >> well, because in a presidential debate, if you make a misstatement, it's just a political event. in a deposition or under oath, grand jury appearance, if you make a mistake, which is a material misstatement, it can land you with a felony charge of either perjury if you're under oath or making a false statement if you're not under oath. each of which carries criminal penalties. and could lead to an indictment if the president is indictable or an article of impeac...

E-mails, hope hicks right there at his side throughout all of this is very likely to know what was happening, what president trump knew, when he knew it and what they were saying. and also what they were saying publicly about these things and whether those two things matched up. the statement about telling white lies i think also is a really interesting statement. we've all told white lies when our friend asked us, does this dress make me look fat? is that the kind of thing she's talking about or is it the kind of lie that can be a material misstatement, the kind of lie that is substantive tha...