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Martha: what is the big line from president obama, doug. >> governor romney your numbers don't add up, your out of touch, the math doesn't work, and governor real people are hurting, particularly women and you're not addressing their concerns. martha: we'll see how it goes. thank you so much. always a pleasure. bill: we'll be sitting here tomorrow thinking what did doug say, what did brad say? jenna lee is hanging out right now. "happening now" rolls your way in 12 minutes. i have one guest that you're covering. jenna: i bet your right, fashion. no i'm just didding. the second presidential deb...

Specific, he couldn't give them. is it mitt romney tonight need to lay out specifically how his plan would work, where the money would come from, where the cuts would be? >> he's actually laid out a lot of detail. what he said is we'll have a big across the board marginal tax cut, but only if it's accompanied by reductions in federal spending and reform of the tax code in a way that protects middle income taxpayers. it's a strong proposal very much in the bipartisan tradition -- >> but the math doesn't work, that you have to make cuts. and he hasn't said where he would be willing to make signi...

Getting that math. people really think that the republicans will do better on this. what's the distance between what they are trying to do and what people believe about what they are trying to do? >> this is one of the things -- you mentioned the president mentioning this in the debate. this is something you'll hear the president mention tomorrow and it's something we have to talk about as a party and as the president's party every single day before this election. because you went through some of the math. you went through ed gillespie trying to go through the math. there's a tax cut that no s...

>> i think that was quite an intro. i do think you make a series of great points. we forget that before barack obama ever walked into the oval office, president bush had spent a trillion dollars that year. they want to blame -- it's funny. you listen to them talk about it and you forget that that was all under their watch. and so many of the policies that we're trying to unwind right now, we ended the war in afghanistan. we had to put more troops in afghanistan, now we're in the process of bringing more troops home. the bush tax cuts a lot of things that we're having to continue to pay for tha...

Proposing would be a recipe for massive deficits. really there is no way you can do the things mr. romney says he's going to do without running up massive deficits. instead of making up memorable arguments that made him the more likable and effective of the two debaters president obama instead tried to prove that thing about the math. president obama tried to explain what's so wrong with thinking that mitt romney is a guy who should be taken seriously on the deficit. he was trying to explain that without a white board, sound track, without a way to make it into a story people would remember. h...