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On taxes, if the republican party continues to take an absolutely theological position that you simply cannot have any tax increases, and if we mean no elimination of loopholes and no elimination of deductions, then we're in -- i mean, the math doesn't work. we're taking in 18% of gdp at taxation and spending 23%. you've got to close that gap. doing it all through budget cuts is impossible. you would be talking about shredding many of these departments. >> dana? >> there is a small group, fareed, small, of republicans who aren't saying absolutely no tax increases. they are saying maybe getting...

That's your plan for saving medicare spending, is by making the users of medicare pay much more. and what the president is saying is that the amount of money they need to pay matches the amount of money that will be then given back to top income tax pairs like the president. >> you see, i don't think that's true at all. >> it is true, congressman. >> there are no changes to medicare for people over 5. and we are looking at a plan to save medicare and medicaid that if left alone would go bankrupt in not a very short -- or not a very long amount of time. we are running out of time -- we're tryin...

Wisconsin and the shut down janesville, gm plant and tell me that the guys who are sitting there begging for work want to stay on unemployment. the american work force is different than that. a different work ethic here. >> brenda: we have great sympathy for the people who are unemployed and it could be any of us. the president's own assistant treasury secretary says that unemployment insurance causes the unemployed to stay unemployed longer. >> yeah. >> brenda: toby? >> larry summers, god bless him, a study not only and they went back the 70's, 80's, 90's, every time they went through it, not...

Immigration, germany during world war ii. a strata that let everybody move up. >> brenda: illegal. >> legal as well as illegal. >> brenda: toby, what do you have to do to make it work. >> you have to tab the illegal and cut the benefits. i don't know how we ship out 4 million people, but i know if you stop the actual health-- the medicare and medicaid and food stamp every other pieces this have puzzle that california puts out. that's about 12 1/2 billion dollars right there. so, get rid of them, but stop the benefit fle and have them pay tacks and have them pay sales taxes and all of that stuf...

Planning to extend jobless benefits again. matt? >> oh, this is ridiculous in my mind. i mean, if you can get free money to sit on your behind and not go out and look for work, what are you going to do? sit on your behind and not look for work. that's not what the country is built on. the country is built on innovation and getting out there. when times are tough get out. how about in michigan, up to 387, if you make $12 landscaping, you make $350. what incentive does a person have to get out and get a job? nothing. >> brenda: david, should we extend benefits. i think that's a made up problem a...