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Companies they shut be investing? >>guest: this is a reason why private sector passed on the jobs because the math don't work. the calculated risk and we do calculated risk all the time but if the math doesn't work, for solyndra, that is an example, $6, the market had $2 or $3. what consumer will pay twice as much for the product and the price did not have the wow factor. you have to have the wow. it was not different from what is there. >>alisyn: why invest that much money when you do not have a home run. it was clear. someone in basic business school would say this is not something to invest...

Lot of votes. in the electoral system, particularly, how is this guy going to win? we calculated in 2008 he wouldn't win a single state and he's probably made the same calculation. not that he wouldn't be a great candidate. he's been a great mayor in my view, but the math doesn't work. you've got to have a somewhat different system. and if you're going to change the system, start with four years out, not 14 months. >> it's an ecochamber thing. you can affect the election. if bloomberg wins, obama loses, if tea party wins, republican loses. >> howard dean says never. what do you say? i think th...

The kind fareed is talking about? can you find some middle ground? there's such a wide gulf on taxes and medicare, anderson, i don't see that being resolved before the 2012 election. >> do you agree with that? >> i wonder. i agree with what david is saying in principle, except for this. on taxes, in the republican party continues to take an absolutely theological position that you simply cannot have any tax increases, and if we mean no elimination of loopholes and deductions, the math doesn't work. we're taking in 18% of gdp at taxation and spending 23%. you've got to close that gap. do we ing...

Absolutely theological position that you simply cannot have any tax increases, and if we mean no elimination of loopholes and no elimination of deductions, then we're in -- i mean, the math doesn't work. we're taking in 18% of gdp at taxation and spending 23%. you've got to close that gap. doing it all through budget cuts is impossible. you would be talking about shredding many of these departments. >> dana? >> there is a small group, fareed, small, of republicans who aren't saying absolutely no tax increases. they are saying maybe getting rid of some of those loopholes are possible. those are...

Medicare for people over 55. and we are looking at a plan to save medicare and medicaid that if left alone would go bankrupt in not a very short -- or not a very long amount of time. we are running out of time -- we're trying to save these things, not destroy them. >> congressman -- >> the math doesn't work. >> congressman, if you are the decisive vote on the debt ceiling increase in the house of representatives, will you vote for that increase? >> we're not there yet. we don't know what the terms and conditions are. as republicans, i think -- >> so it is conceivable to you that if you are the...