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Im sorry, can you hand me that copy back . Never mind, i found what i was looking for. So you will recall that when i was here, in october, i testified that 1040 doesnt apply and i also testified quite strongly, both here and at the Sunshine Task force that c369913 doesnt apply either. I have been denied access to these records for two years. Regarding access to litigation states, advice and compliance with, analysis of, and opinion concerning liability under or any communication otherwise concerning the California Public records act the ralph m. Brown act, political reform act and San Francis...

In a redacted fashion. That is not what the sotf ruled mr. Shaw, please. You had your opportunity to speak. Mr. Pilpel you may continue. Mr. Shaw, please give mr. Pilpel a chance to speak. Thank you. So to conclude, i believe that those three pages should be provided. Neither memo discusses what the staffs rationale for nondisclosure at the time of the original request was. That may be something that is worth discussing. So i think it goes to the question of whether there was a willful violation or a different sort of matter . I believe mr. Menat shaw is free to make a request at any time, par...

Without knowing what that privilege knowing more about the nature of that privilege that would require that certain information be redacted. I am going back to her memo as well. This is the longer one. Thanks. Following up on commissioner studleys question, is the privileged standard that were looking at the one were talking about all notes, preliminary reports . Controllers benchmark studies, audits, investigations and other reports shall be confidential . That is that is the first part of it. First part. And the Second Quarter part of the standards is records of any investigation shall be co...

Something is specifically exempt, its by definition a Public Record, period and its a Public Record and disclosable unless it can be withheld under one of the specific sections of the state law. And if you look at the two charter sections that have been quoted, both of them are set out within the scope of the applicable state law. Now the memo before you says that were not exempt from disclosure, but may be disclosed. Well, a determination that they may be disclosed means that they were Public Records and your obligation is to disclose them. Now i cant help, but observe, because its come up so...

Do commissioners have objections to taking Public Comment now. No. It sound like what you are offering to mr. Shaw is something outside of Public Comment and as a party to this proceeding you are giving him five minutes and after mr. Shaws five minutes open up the floor for Public Comment. Okay. We can do that. Thank you, mr. Givner. Im turning into mr. Chatfield my 150word testimony that i will remail so you dont have to rekey it, introducing typos. Im sorry, can you hand me that copy back . Never mind, i found what i was looking for. So you will recall that when i was here, in october, i tes...