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With heavy loss. nato's top commander now saying russia may have lost as many as 15,000 troops so far. biden now fearful a desperate putin may escalate acts further. >> i will say that to their face. i will say all i have to say. i will say it when i get there. >> how high is the threat? >> i think it is a real threat. >> jesse: but the threats don't end there. putin's spokesman refused to rule out against ukrainian forces. >> we have onset of domestic security. and you can read all the reasons for nuclear arms to be used. so if it is existing with a

Nonproliferation structure. at the same time there are other threats to that nonproliferation structure, because part of in budapest memorandum that we've been talking about has been the fact that ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, returned them to russia in exchange for promises of territory integrity that they would guarantee. so if we could in fact guarantee that, then what incentive do others have to give up their nuclear programs? there's a lot of stake, but nonetheless ewith the threat that may escalate, the u.s. will have to move forward in coner with our european partners. >> what ab...