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China with the norms and values that newark texture that competes with the u.s. second, the democracy don't have the leaders, those leaders don't have the legitimacy. the institutions themselves are eroding. that's what the populism is all about. for those who had happened that people like may krone in france represented a shift in tide in pop you list support -- his approval ratings are 23% right now. let's face it. that's not where trump is today. merkel, angela merkel isn't going nip anywhere soon but had to abdicate the chairmanship of her party. she is already weaker in 2019 than she was ...

Past. they weren't say continuity. >> they were also outside the establishment. >> they were change candidates. may krone in his own party and the political system. trudeau from prime minister harper's you a steer and dower view of canada's future. the third thing that's also important is they managed the different social and cultural issues in a skillful way. in both countries they showed they wanted an open engaged modern if you like view of canada and of france. but they were clear they prospect going to be a pushever, not a soft touch. i think that's important in both cases. >> both tough ...

List. >> i think two things explain the move to the extreme. one you have to talk about the corruption that tainted both the former governments in which both of the two candidates you mentioned ran on. secondly, we are in an age of economic extremes. economic extremes do produce political extremes even if you are not a pure economic determinist you can see that the kind of strains that have been put on societies across the world by economic evaluates are fuelling some of this drive. >> what is the success off the two places where a center left candidate has done well, canada and france? what l...

>> merkel? >> this was always going to be her last term. i think there are two things. i am torn about this. on the one hand she's clearly modernized germany in a remarkable way. it's country more at ease with it self in the modern world than it was 15 years ago. on the other hand despite her profound commitment to the european union europe is at risk today. i would say she hasn't been enough of a reformer in europe. she's really been very, very cautious in the way she developed ear european agenda. president may krone's agendas are stalled. in the next years i don't think there will be a shif...

Troops from the korean peninsula. that should create enormous anxiety from abe and the folks in japan. one of the most interesting things about america first policy is he seems to forget that other have their national interests. >> he is not thinking about them. he is thinking about america first. doesn't care about the other actors on the stage. i think he made it clear in the g7 summit over the weekend that julianne it's not about trudeau. it's not about may krone, theresa may or angel markle. it's about donald trump, it's about america. and hin to how the reporter from the atlantic sums it ...