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Midway through your piece you talk about defenders of the tactics used by robert mueller's team argue his potential witnesses are generally guilty of some crime that lying to f.b.i. may be true. you make this point. but they're targeted not what they may have done. they're targeted for what they may know about the real target about -- about what the real target may have done. can you further make that point? it's a strong one. >> yeah. it's a point that was made by judge ellis in the manafort case. they aren't interested in manafort in his tax and bank problems. they're going after him because...

Collusion. i believe the analogy is more like coming in to today on the plane, we're in the final approach. it's time to land the plane and decide what you found. take what you have done and land the plane and report to the american people. if you don't have anything, report you don't have anything. >> neil: what if the mueller probe proves nothing, of the president is exonerated and then you have been or some of your colleagues have been busy, you know, disputing the way it was gathered? then you are in a pickle. >> well, i think at the end of the day, we are not going to see any conclusion. ...

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Price gourmet meals. so people can come here instead of just ordering a piece of chicken or a rack of lamb or something like that and leaving, i offer a four course tasting menu. like it is in new york or san francisco, you might have tasting menus where people come in and eat multiple courses it might be over $100 a head. in st. louis i started that opening up that type of dining to customers here for $25. >> reporter: some small business owners i've talked to have had trouble getting access to credit and some had to cut jobs. have you had any problems with either of those? >> which would say...

Haven't heard anything from him. when he called, they were going to call me back in five minutes. when i went to call them, i don't have any minutes on my phone. i don't think they understand what broke is. that doesn't mean i get to go to disneyland again. i mean i don't have any minutes on my phone. we are broke. the next morning i get up and i call him and the phone is disconnected. i don't know what that means except from what i understand, they're not gonna pay the service rigs which is where my husband works and basically we're left out in the cold. there's nothing we can do at this poin...