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In the mind of mandela and bishop tutu, it was the wish. from outside and on the side of mr. mandela. that to continue our -- and echo them, would mean the destruction of this. it would mean to a civil war that no one would to go. >> as botha recalls, mandela's message of peace following years of action against apartheid, he made his famous speech that would lead to his imprisonment. >> he said that i have fought against one domination.

Congress later overrode the veto. what do you remember about that very divisive time, the '80s when apartheid was such a heated debate all over the country but especially on college campuses? >> well, the u.s. chose de klerk and botha and the apartheid regime as our ally. i can hear kissinger saying now iran and the shah and botha and de klerk [ inaudible ]. and therefore, the apartheid is an internal problem. it had no moral standing in the world so people began to rebel against it. but clearly, president reagan and u.s. policy was pro-white south africa and really, mr. mandela was on the ter...

Then? >> reporter: well, obviously oscar pistorius will be out on bail with limited movements but his defense who have done a remarkable job during this bail hearing will be preparing for that trial. it will be a full trial and of course the state, the prosecution will be putting together their evidence and trying to build a stronger case. what is interesting to note today that the magistrate was quite critical of the state prosecution saying they had made mistakes. of course we did see that very difficult evidence given by the chief inspector botha who has been removed from the case now. we s...

Scene without protective shoe coverings. >> come on. >> botha -- >> who do they think shot this woman, a kangaroo? give me a break. come on. this is just ridiculous. >> well, botha also claimed that investigators found -- >> mike, you're our south africa legal expert here. what's going on here? >> off of what we know so far, just according to reports, i would say it's going to be pretty difficult to prove, you know, premeditation. two people. two people, no witnesses. i mean, he killed this poor woman, no doubt about that. >> right. >> but premeditation? i think that's going to be tough to pro...

Being tea party. it's a dog-gone monstrosity. golly gee wilackers, i'm really opposed to those guys. by the way, it's a mandate. i'm totally against that. orrin hatch co-sponsored a 1993 that had an individual mandate. it makes me so don-gone mad. >> all right, now let me turn to david weigel with slate. was it the tea partiers last night saying we don't like the patriot act? or was it we promised the american people of not allowing amendments or no debate, et cetera. do you know which it was or botha caused them to vote against boehner and the gop leadership? >> it was both.