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>> has sought to answer the allegations that he's -- were made against him in that report in a substantial sort of way. >> and on the mccabe front, natasha, there is reason to believe there will be some announcement regarding an indictment or not to mccabe who was fired for misconduct essentially. what does your reporting suggest, natasha? >> yeah, you know, people close to him really do seem to think that charges could be imminent, just in terms of his lack of candor to the fbi, allegedly lying to federal officials about his conversations with reporters back in 2016. there wouldn't really be ...

Andrew mccabe, the ig report on andrew mccabe that -- sorry, go ahead, ben. >> i was actually referring to a different one. i have a kind of open mind about his report on andrew mccabe. i was talking about the one about the clinton email investigation and the sort of judgments that the team and that comey made in that regard. the mccabe one, i actually don't know how much of that report is fair and how much of it is unfair, in part because there still has been no forum in which mccabe. >> right. >> has sought to answer the allegations that he's -- were made against him in that report in a subs...

Hard to say, he's a popular figure, but that kind of cuts the other way. >> matt, as is often the case, it's your reporting leading the way on the sessions/mccabe front, anything we have left out? >> i echo what was just said, except one thing on this question of lack of candor what is the finding is in this -- in the opr, the office of professional responsibility, recommendation. and that can be really the kiss of death for an fbi agent. there's really no coming back from that. the issue here is as we understand it, mccabe and his people, you know, strenuously deny that he misled anybody. and...

Talking earlier about how an office of professional responsibility recommendation gets out, actually. they're supposed to be confidential. if it's true that the doj inspector general did find mccabe lied to investigators and opr recommended his firing, those officers are career people, they are nonpartisan, the doj inspector general was appointed by obama, so these are nonpartisan people. so that would give, i think, some cover to saying, you know, look, even though he was popular, if he did something wrong here and gets fired and loses his pension, you know, maybe it was at least partially de...

>> matt, as is often the case, it's your reporting leading the way on the sessions/mccabe front, anything we have left out? >> i echo what was just said, except one thing on this question of lack of candor what is the finding is in this -- in the opr, the office of professional responsibility, recommendation. and that can be really the kiss of death for an fbi agent. there's really no coming back from that. the issue here is as we understand it, mccabe and his people, you know, strenuously deny that he misled anybody. and so i think it's absolutely crucial that, you know, we see -- we see the ...