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Maybe i'll see a little bit of it. i'm not going to be watching mueller because you can't take all of those bites out of the apple. we had a total no collusion finding. the democrats were devastated by it. they went crazy. they've gone off the deep end. >> reporter: behind the scenes, preparations have been extensive. democrats have held mock hearings, scripted questions. republicans have watched hours of past testimony from robert mueller on capitol hill trying to get a sense of exactly how he'll answer questions and robert mueller himself also preparing an unused office space at his law firm...

Counter-intuitive. >> get me a breaking news ban are. >> what you normally say is let me push back. >> i'm going to come back out to the reporters. e eli, any indication he'll pivot and become more normal. >> i haven't seen one yet. i would say donny is right in cautions we are a long way from election day 2020. i think what you're seeing in the president going after joe biden the way he has recently, he's hungry for a one-on-one matchup. right now he doesn't know who to go after. the democrats don't have their nominee. when you talk to folks around the president's campaign, they say, yeah, we...

Successful for him. >> i don't mean nice but more moderate, that's what i was talking about. never be human. >> let me give you the last word. >> i think we've seen trump try particularly on immigration pivot to the softer side of that reform and it lasted maybe half a day to a day. >> like one tweet, right, until ann coulter saw it. >> i think it's going to be a short-lived strategy. i'm with eli, i think the president does do well when he has somebody to fight against. he's very happy to be on offense. once he has that candidate, something he can pin the hopes of his candidacy on, i think yo...

He's been president already. can you claim success and claim everything is terrible at once. that's the tension in a re-election campaign for a president. yes, he is interested in sort of market testing and focus grouping everything whether it's with former advisers or whether with the audience he's talking to at a rally. that's always been his style. it's one of those things that he's actually really good at is figuring out -- reading the room, getting the reaction, and trying to find that sweet-spot in terms of setting a message. as far as the more important substantial policy details, his b...

>> yes. >> i'm interested to hear what he has to say. >> congresswoman lawrence, it's great, welcome to the show, thank you for taking the time. >> have a great day. >> you too. joining me eli, tara dowdell and contributor charlie sikhs. i'll start with you, tara. >> the racist bone connected to the hip is the hip bone connected to the thigh bone. no. this is -- it's absurd. i have to make a joke to lessen the sting. you know, it's absurd, but it's also harmful. it's extremely harmful. so what i find fascinating is how the crowd says they don't see color are quick to say did you see my black f...