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What do you make of it? >> well, there is the curse of city hall in new york city. we've had prior mayors try to run, going back to lindsey and he couldn't do it in the '60s and '70s and rudy giuliani failed in -- >> a combined one delegate between those two. >> my question is what's the constituency for bloomberg? everybody -- we're all in agreement. i think bloomberg's looking at it the way that ted cruz looked at it in 2016 and same with donald trump. to try to just get a plurality of votes here and there that picks off delegates left and right and doesn't get there, but i don't see it. the...

Run, going back to lindsey and lindsay couldn't do it in the '60s and early '70s and rudy giuliani failed in -- >> a combined one delegate between those two. >> my question is what's the constituency for bloomberg? everybody -- we're all in agreement. i think bloomberg's looking at it the way that ted cruz looked at it in 2016 and same with donald trump. to try to just get a plurality of votes here and there that picks off delegates left and right and gets there, but i don't see it. the argument he's making is, well, we need experience. that's san argument for several governors who are looking...