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Willing. it wasn't immoral, 11 months ago, that wall. it's only immoral now because the president boxed himself in. >> i know people keep saying that. i don't think it was in the form that the president says. and no one is saying that there shouldn't be some sort -- there's already a structure. i don't think democrats are saying -- there's already a structure at the border. >> they're using immoral. the wall is immoral now. jorge ramos just wrote in "the new york times," you know, it's racist. it's immoral. >> there are places where the wall makes sense, and there are -- >> i want to talk abou...

With this shutdown, because that will be the thing that actually harms him more than the wall. >> well, the shutdown is a terrible thing, and it's actually really hitting farm country in a big way. they're not able to plan for the spring plantings. there's all kinds of concern about exports. it's really disastrous for his base. >> yeah. >> but, you know, i'm not sure that the president prefers dealing with the economy. he likes this concept of a wall. >> you think he likes the fight? >> he likes the fight, but he's boxed himself in. this four-letter word, w-a-l-l, is a trap for him, and he doe...

Clients from buying homes. and even the way the government measures the economy is being harmed. the commerce department hasn't issued any new reports since the shutdown began. simply put, the shutdown is having an effect on the economy that the president has championed. and, remember, the president has shut down the government over funding for his wall, a wall he really, really wants. >> it's going to be a beautiful, gorgeous, big wall that they're going to name trump someday. that's why i'm going to make it. we need security. we need the wall. we're going to have it all. it's not build that ...

What i call ping pong politics, where there's this power play. if congress really wanted to do something, they can essentially bring up a vote every 48 hours if they want to, to open up government. they need a super majority. if they can get a super majority, they don't have to wait for the president to either sign something into law or veto it. >> okay. then let's talk about that. what are your former colleagues saying? do they like being in this position of shutting the government down over the wall? >> well, i think what's most frustrating -- and i was actually still a member when this happ...

Outside in this press conference. >> and they did. >> and they did. we're at an impasse right now that's not going to be changed unless the dialogue is changed. i think only the president can do that, right? and i'm appealing to the president right now. go big. here's how he can change it because pelosi is not going to give a dime. she's already said nothing for the wall, which is completely a contradiction to what the democrats did just 11 months ago. but aside from that, they're not going to budge. the president has to at this point say, let's get to the table. let's put daca on the table. l...