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Out, earned income tax credit that's faced out. there's some things we have to do together as americans. should we really have segregated classes in public school? when i went to first grade you had blue collar kids and rich kids there. when we talk about having every american have a chance to get preschool which they already have in countries like france, i don't think that ought to be means tested. when we talk about everyone should be able to go to community college, senator manchin says we have 11 million jobs that are unfilled, how do we get credentials. i don't think that should be means...

It. but to continue with this message to the american voter that this is somehow free or this is somehow paid for -- >> martha: you're going to get healthcare, education, college education, 12 weeks time off from work free. it's not going to cost a dime. >> sandra: that's what the american people have to watch here, decide iffer with a capitalistic society or one of socialism. that is really what is at stake here. responsibility versus entitlement. >> martha: means testing is out anymore, this is a more socialist viewpoint like you see in the u.k. or france where they don't want to designate f...

The package done, richard? >> listen, don't fall for the okey-doke here. here's what we know. nancy pelosi is one of the best vote counters that we have in the country when it comes to figure out how we get a bill to become a law. with that being said, it's not necessarily about means testing, but insuring how do we create a level playing field for all americans. and that's what this bill is trying to do. where the democratic party is united and republicans are sitting on their hands is we need to reinvest in america's greatest resource, its people, right? part of that is, one, rebuilding our ...

Out, earned income tax credit that's faced out. there's some things we have to do together as americans. should we really have segregated classes in public school? when i went to first grade you had blue collar kids and rich kids there. when we talk about having every american have a chance to get preschool which they already have in countries like france, i don't think that ought to be means tested. when we talk about everyone should be able to go to community college, senator manchin says we have 11 million jobs that are unfilled, how do we get credentials. i don't think that should be means...

Your reaction. >> well, i do think they can get things done in the next 30 days. what i found so interesting is when the congressman said his nonnegotiable item is the child tax credit. it's probably the only thing that, if it went to the house on a stand alone, that could be negotiated with and gain republican support. it is very important that the democrats start itemizing what they want and how. for example, the child tax credit, don't make it universal. do means testing. that's what joe manchin has said. and when i say means testing, i'm saying, $400,000 and above to hold on to president b...