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Expansion of social programs. essentially saying what the democrats are proposing is not needed given the economic state we're in. there needs to be more means testing and raises concerns about spending trillions of dollars in new money. says he cannot and will not support trillions in spending or an all or nothing approach that ignores the brutal fiscal reality our nation faces. this is why this is important, jake. in a 50-50 senate, every vote matters. one democrat like joe manchin could tank the whole thing. nancy pelosi made clear that she'll not move forward in the house on that larger pl...

All the stuff about procedure, i want to sort of center things a little bit. the problem for president joe biden and democrats here is pretty clear. with the narrows possibly majority in the senate, they need all 50 democratic senate doctors to agree. again unanimously on legislation. and to democrats have emerged in the face of opposition in the party's agenda, there is west virginia joe manchin and arizona sinema. say what you will about senator manchin but he represents the state dold trump won by nearly 40 points in 2020. and he also has explicitly articulated the basis of his opposition t...

Strong policies to help our communities. to do that, we have to talk about what those policies are. people might spend a little bit more if we're doing a great job on a policy side or a little less. the policy has to drive it and i feel like there hasn't been enough discussion on all sides and definitely for members of congress about what their policy priorities are to bring us together and get a bill passed. >> i think, congresswoman, you're right. that is part of the problem. i think people generally agree with the goals but it is the specifics and i guess when you hear the words priorities,...

Have dialogue, we need to have debate and we need to disagree, but then we need to understand that every dollar you give to child care equals $7 in terms of growth it improves education and economic outcomes. let me say one other thing this is not 3.5 trillion tomorrow, this is 3.5 trillion over ten years, and we have policies that will be offset, so the actual cost is zero. >> can i quickly nerd out with you for one second, but speaker pelosi has said it is self-evident that that social spending bill probably will not end up being $3.5 trillion i wonder how low you're willing to go and about ...

>> let's talk about one of them. some moderates have suggested that the means testing, meaning only providing for people moderate to lower income for the child tax credit, for child care, for tuition-free community college, that that would be an idea instead of just providing it for everybody. somebody who makes what i make doesn't, or makes what you make doesn't need free child care necessarily. >> right. the thing about that is, let's look at the rental assistance bill, just as an example. we had so many provisions in there to try to make sure that it was only the right people that needed to...