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To afford it. we should extend those credits to working class families. i think quite frankly myself we need to drop medicare to a 55 or 50 and allow people to buy into that program with means testing so that working class families can afford it. places like youngstown and akron, people say when they are 50, 55 years old, how much longer do i have to work until i can refitire and every time it comes down to health care. do i have a plan that i can afford. and if we drop them to allow them to buy in with means testing, you will see a lot of people out of the job market and retire and that will ...

Do is broadly right and increase defense spending and in ways that don't add to the deficit. what i would suggest he expand and look at the entire budget. that is the real challenge here. you could pay for these things with tweaks and entitlement programs, quite frankly. >> exactly. >> you could go back to some things. president obama in 2014 proposed both means testing for medicare and what is called change cpi which slows down the growth of the program. doesn't cut anything but slows down the rate of inflation. and those yield tens of billions of dollars over the course of a decade. that is ...

Go through this process, because it does seem this bill is not going to stay the way it is. you're in the senate. as a guideline, a health savings account is good as long as you have money to add to it, right? you're not going to give me enough money to pay for my care completely, you're going to help me. when you do means testing on a lot of people that you're going to cut in the house plan, it doesn't matter what you're planning to give them. it's not going to be enough. it seems like you're catering to people who have money, which is fine, but it's not going to address the great eflt need. ...

Chamber of commerce republican. >> exactly. >> that's the bait and switch. not that they're rich, but they're doctrineaire in their right wing plutocratic ideology. >> they typically do usher in the economic elite who come in and pillage the economy. the people he's putting in, someone like mnuchin who literally made money taking away people's homes if they missed a 29 cent payment, people who have been rapacious in their attacks on the working class. not to mention the fact that they're paired with the congress that's run by speaker of the house paul ryan who is on the record wanting to get r...

Raising the retirement age right now. nobody else is running so far on means testing. and mike huckabee another potential republican candidate criticized him, how dare you, this contract with the american people. everybody knows that social security has to change. doesn't he get credit for saying so? >> i think so. one of the knocks on him is he's one of these eastern moderates. this sort of insulates him from the idea that he's moderate. this is a very radical idea. it also sets him up as the anti-democrat because they are proposing raising outlays for social security. the thing you have to r...