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Care and get all of the, you know, some of the waste out of the system. but, you know, we have to do other things, as well. he's proposed means testing, for example, as part of his proposal. but i think it's unrealistic to say, let's not touch those things, because we'll give up a good issue. and we need that issue to win elections. i think at some point you have to stand up and say, let's take a look at the total picture what we need to do for the country moving forward and deal with them. >> i feel like the argument, you're answering my question implicitly by wanting to argue this on policy ...

Assets, that is done all throughout europe, the idea that all these social programs that we both respect, they don't have means testing -- >> not respect, love, love. >> the idea they don't have means testing around the world is not accurate. they do. >> from a republican or conservative perspective is that for the president to say he's coming to the table with entitlement reform and it's a middle class tax hike, what does that say about the president's priorities? that's why conservatives are asking why is this your entitlement reform when we have medicaid, medicare, and social security. >> h...

Opportunism. he's already trying to chastise the president for the president making a concession to his party. at the end of the day, the people need to remember the purpose of social security. social security was put in place because our seniors and people with disabilities were doomed to a life of poverty without support in social safety net. now as we try to talk about things like chain cpi, we lose the absolute meaning of it. what's interesting here is that walden is probably talking more about the means testing in medicare, that $170,000 per year litmus test as to whether or not you would...

The system. but, you know, we have to do other things, as well. he's proposed means testing, for example, as part of his proposal. but i think it's unrealistic to say, let's not touch those things, because we'll give up a good issue. and we need that issue to win elections. i think at some point you have to stand up and say, let's take a look at the total picture what we need to do for the country moving forward and deal with them. >> i feel like the argument, you're answering my question implicitly by wanting to argue this on policy rather than talking about its political impact. i feel like ...

About it, and i expect it to -- this is the least we must do to begin the solve the problems in social security. >> so john feehery, is this -- i mean, that's the rational approach. by the way, scarborough is rational there, too. it seems to me what your party is going to do here, i want michael to jump in here and challenge you. if all your party is going to do is like they're in a cafeteria, say, i like this part of the president's proposal getting tough on social security recipients and medicare, trying to save some money there, but we're not going to go after anybody with any money. we're ...