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All. forget about the diplomacy. you are trying to buy a used car, are youo going to insult ad ask the tough questions of the other fern first? no. you go count list of things and try and discover where you agree, where you disagree. thereng are serious ones ranging from ukraine, but also potentially what russia might be able to cooperate with us on bringing north korea and cooperating economically if they do give up their nukes, pushing iran out of syria, containing china. there are a number of things that are important. if you start with them, which is an intelligence y discussion, putin jus...

Wanted to pour some fuel on that fire. he wanted to sell a little message to president trump to say you know what? you're right. your national security team, your intelligence team, don't believe them. it really supports how president trump views russian interference in our elections last year. >> trace: it's interesting, heather. as president putin said, i'm not going to weigh-in on the job that president trump is doing. when he said he's not going to way in, look at the stock market. the stock market is doing good. regulations are down. things are humming along there. so he's not going to we...

It. many of the signatories that have come out in public criticizing the president's decision saying you can't renegotiate this thing. you're either with us or not with us. shep? >> shepard: for the moment, we're not with them. john roberts in paris. thank you. let's bring in phillip from "the washington post." thanks for being here. this matter of calling donald trump jr. to testify, charles grassley, where is that on the scale? >> it's significant. you look at it outside of this administration and this moment, this is a person that received an e-mail saying i have a contact with the russian ...

Instance, who is not directly on mueller's team but still working on the meddling question. so together, that gets to $7 million in total from may to september. we're still looking into the breakdown of the expenses. some are travel, for instance, but we also know given all of the indictments that have come down there is a great deal of substantive work that's being done here. we're looking into what amount of money is new versus what would have been expended anyway in the process of this investigation, kate. >> laura, thank you so much. really appreciate it. >> joining me to discuss this, sen...