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Showing up to see mike pence, they're showing up to see donald trump. because there's an entertainment factor he brings. that's been helpful for him to win the election. we don't want to erode that. >> i just said similar things. that's a partisan perspective, and you should have one. i'll give you half of that. it is what makes him entertaining, i think that's a judgment for his supporters to make, this is what i'm saying, the president shouldn't be blamed for the bombs. he has to include himself in the responsibility for the negativity that creates an environment, an atmosphere that lends it...

Environment, an atmosphere that lends itself to some whack co or bad person wanting to do what was done yesterday, and the response to the bombs. he calls us out for being the problem with negativity. he never mentions himself. >> do you think the media bears -- let me grant the premise for the sake of the argument. if that's true, do you think the media and their 90% plus negative coverage of the president could be so demoralizing to his supporters, viewed as so unfair, it may cause someone that's deranged and on the edges to take an inappropriate and illegal action. i don't think -- if you'r...

>> i would say yes on both sides. this is what i -- you know, listening to what was going on, i think the media sort of taking a pass that they have no blame in what you see with donald trump is ridiculous. of course you have blame. i mean, as a republican who's been covered by the national media forever, i mean, i've always felt like i had to, you know, fight tooth and nail to get any kind of honest coverage out of the national media. so i think certainly you can blame donald trump for what he's doing and saying, but i think the media bears blame also. >> govern far, you called this earlier r...