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Of debate what trump is -- has done or has not done. i know that part of what i see he has done thus far is that he has frankly as i guess a media term weaponized race as a part of what he's been doing from charlottesville all the way through. and then i think he's been preoccupied with trying to do away with everything that president barack obama has done for this particular country. and that's what he's been preoccupied with. so my deal is i'll be focusing on healthcare. i'll be focussing on criminal justice reform and a whole litany other issues, women's rights issues that have been kind of...

Secondly, we don't know what bob mueller knows. we know there were 87 communications between the campaign and people in russia during the height of the campaign in 2016. we know that bob mueller has had a couple of people explaining those communications to him. paul manafort until he stopped and rick gates who may still be explaining them to him. general flynn who explained them to him in such a way that they reduced his recommended jail sentence and jail time down to zero. something the feds never do. >> shepard: you say collusion isn't a crime. conspiracy is a crime. a minute ago you said th...

Lawyer rudy giuliani's as a final decision on a mueller interview is likely by this sunday. i know we had this new tweet from the president over the weekend talking about the fact that the meeting was about that they have dirt on the opposition. i'm confused because the democrats paid a foreign government or foreign entity. >> judge napolitano: your confused because they were investigating the wrong side. >> melissa: i'm confused what is or isn't legal. >> judge napolitano: there is no such a lot and there is no such word in the law as collusion, that's a hollywood and media term. the legal te...

You know, i read a column every news at foxnews.com. my column is that collusion is a hollywood and media term. the crime is conspiracy, an agreement to commit a crime, whether or not you actually commit it. so for rudy guliani to say there's no such crime as collusion, he's right. it's the wrong word. >> trish: and don jr. had this meeting with the russian lawyer that somehow that is "proof" of that term that you're not wild about, collusion. but at the same time, judge, you had hillary's camp going all the way to russia on foreign soil paying for intel to dig up dirt on donald trump. if one ...

President, not to pray for him. >> bill: john dowd is probably defending him at that point though? >> yes, yes. going on television saying i pray that you shut down shop is not the way a lawyer for an innocent defendant conveys the message on tv. >> bill: in a legal frame, look, i think there is so much going on right now. i think people can get confused. things get cloudy. >> yes. >> bill: i'm certain that's the case of viewers. a lot of these names people are frankly not familiar with. >> yes. >> bill: frame where are we right now in this special counsel investigation and how that could poss...