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Caucus. nasty things are thrown around. speaker pelosi understands how washington works. she's not a racist. and she's a trail blazer in her own right, so i think aoc is way out of line. >> dana: jerry, how do you think the speaker should deal with this? >> she's dealing with something new, really, isn't she? this is what they call on capitol hill a member management issue for the speaker. it's traditional that freshman members give the leadership a lot of trouble. they usually do and it's usually controllable because the leadership has the mega phone and microphone and can still dominate the ...

Thing that condemns all form of discrimination and racism and so forth. my view is, fine. if that's what they want to do, fine. this is not -- this issue is not going away and ilhan omar is not going away. >> you know, jake, are democrats now realizing why republicans did put their head in the sand sometimes? why paul ryan did? why boehner supposedly did? because once you go down this road, you never stop, right. that's the problem. it's never muenough. that's been an argument i've heard from the right for a long time, why some on the right say, stop with this stuff, because you'll never win, ...