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>> joe: the lower east side at that time was a destination for me. there was something, you know, that compelled me to just be there. and i would paint it. squeeze in. >> anthony: yup. wow, wow! oh, yes, you were telling me about this guy. >> joe: and here, if you want to use this. >> anthony: it's beautiful. ♪ >> joe: you know, all of the paintings are novels, so it's a dense story, and the more that you look, the more that you learn. and it's in non-linear time, you know, like you're exploring at your own pace whatever you want to look at. and someone else might start in a different place,...

I mean, i really did. i would practice for two hours every day but i would like -- i wouldn't tell people. so, these are eggs. which you can get, you know, at the store. if you live in a good neighborhood they will even deliver them to your house. and then, you take water. which, i know you go to all these exotic places, but they used to say that new york had the best water. >> anthony: that is true. >> john: you think it's still true? >> anthony: i haven't heard anything to say otherwise. >> john: do you drink it? >> anthony: yeah, i do. >> john: and then you boil them. and then i serve it to...

Oh my god! i'm impressed. can you verify exactly what straight means in -- >> anthony: [ bleep ] if i know. >> lydia: no way, honey. even when you're straight, you're not straight. ♪ >> anthony: did you expect to make a living from art? >> lydia: no, of course not. >> anthony: i mean, at no point? >> lydia: no, i just was happy i didn't have to suck [ bleep ] in an iranian shoe store. first of all i thought i would come to new york to do spoken word, but spoken word didn't really exist. so i started teenage jesus and the jerks. ♪ i had to really make the most hideous, yet precise din i pos...

>> anthony: there were a lot of freakish, never could've happened at any other times, it seems to me, bands who had a readymade audience. okay, and you did the same. you can basically say, "i am a rock star." >> lydia: well hey, hey, hey. no, no, no. first of all i never said i was a [ bleep ] star. >> anthony: no, but i mean but not by word, but by deed and deportment. >> lydia: i didn't walk into any place thinking i'm a star, i walked in thinking, "i got shit to do." i wouldn't say i was a catalyst. i'd say i was a cattle prod -- to get people to do shows, booking shows, curating shows. it'...

Me to the lower east side, and to connect with -- >> anthony: i guess you met glenn o'brien. >> freddy: glenn o'brien, yup. >> glenn: hi, and welcome to "tv party". fred, why don't you tell us a little about what the holy land looks like? >> freddy: i want you to know. that i've been to the holy land. and the holy land is so funky. it's funky. and through that connection is where i met all these people that listened to all these ideas i had, and that was david byrne, chris stein, and debbie harry, and so many amazing people that were just like, "yeah, tell me more." ♪ >> anthony: what i thin...