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a super smart guy. he's very strong. very strong in trade, taxes, business. like he says things that sound like donald trump. is that the same -- does he sound the same way he sounded to you when you were interviewing him back then in the pentagon days? >> oh, god, he's a completely different person. i mean, at the time, you know, he was in the chain of command. actually general mattis, who's now the defense secretary, was the commanding general of the 1st marine division. and so general kelly was junior to him. but no, in the battlefield he was -- he liked the press. he was very open. and he tried to tell us what he could of the battle plan and the success. but now he's just completely metamorphosed into the chief of staff in what's the most mercurial and chaotic administration in recent history. so i think a lot of people consider that this is sort of his last command, that he still is very loyal to the commander in chief and so when he asked general kelly to come from dhs, where he was chief, to the white
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and also may not want to take on this particular endeavor because it requires us to have our single laroue focus outside of a more profitable practice. and also the cost bnefit analysis with the president of the united states doesn't bodie well for for anyone taking the case. >> mercurial? >> it's 11 bushman. i got out of bed with my dictionary process. mercurial is what i'm doing right now. >> i love the word. but never -- i never never thought of it to describe this particular president. but good on you. so listen, i want to play what the former watergate prosecutor and john dean said about the legal troubles. >> it's not the same as simply representing the leader of the free world when the people are referring to him behind his
it's hard to keep a straight face after thinking about spanky to be honest with you at this point. you know, i can't believe we're talking about this, but -- >> welcome to my world, michael. >> i get it. i'm with you. the deal is this. you need a lawyer to come in who can tell you the truth you hire a lawyer that you get along with where there's a spirit of cooperation. the truth is, nobody gee hawes with trump. he'll fire you, yell at you, throw you you under the bus. nobody wants that kind of person for a client. he doesn't seem to be able to take advice fris anybody but close members of his family. it's probably not so much about conflicts or things out there that are -- business decisions. folks don't want to get into the trump swamp and be pulled down into the mess that's going to happen if he then tries to fire bob mueller. >> five minutes into the show, we've had jihad it, mercurial and spanky.
reelection in his own district. >> i'm not certain i agree with that, lawrence. paul ryan is pretty strong back in his home district. this isn't the job he signed up for when he was pressured to take the job of speaker a couple of years ago. keep in mind he had no idea at the time he could be dealing with a president this mercurial. it's in spokane washington where tom foley lost reelection in 1994. and that's a republican from washington state, who is up against a pretty stiff democratic challenge. >> and, david, the speaker of the house has powers over the president. the speaker of the house can push the president around in many ways if the speaker chooses to do that. i remember during the presidential campaign watching trump insult paul ryan, and paul ryan shows no interest in using
significant role on this issue. like many others. he's been mercurial. he's not an idealog as others have been. he has not said to those who support any sort of changes, enough on this issue. we'll also see these children. how impressive they are. there is a lot of pressure on politicians from both sides. this being an election year. >> it certainly will be. stick around. there's more news we're following. another guilty plea. robert mueller's russia probe. plus more on the florida high school massacre. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job
the paper that he's supposed to handle in part of that job. so the question that is begged here, someone can get with the chief and actually go through this with him and say, so, when you found that the staff secretary could not do every aspect of his job -- >> ever. >> did not have, the whole time you were with him was not able to handle papers that would normally have been part of his job, did you not ask the question, why? are you unable to do this job? and if you ask that question, what was the answer? did no one call the fbi and say, hey, what's the hold up on the security clearance, guys? it's been a long time here. this is the thing that beggars belief, that those conversations did not take place. >> and there's plenty of reporting that they knew exactly why. phil rucker, let me give you the last word on hope hicks. i've been told to stay on an anything can happen footing when it comes to general kelly. not that something would, but something could. what is your sense about hope's job security at this hour? >> i don't know. i mean, certainly all the reporting i've done indicates that john kelly's job is more in jeopardy than hers. but we also know that there is a mercurial president who makes decisions on a whim and you'll recall when he got rid of reince priebus as chief of staff, it was in a tweet as reince priebus was walking off air force one to get into the motorcade. decisions like this happen whenever trump feels like it. i'm not going to read his mind, but, you know, hope hicks has a
question, why? are you unable to do this job? and if you ask that question, what was the answer? did no one call the fbi and say, hey, what's the hold up on the security clearance, guys? it's been a long time here. this is the thing that beggars belief, that those conversations did not take place. >> and there's plenty of reporting that they knew exactly why. phil rucker, let me give you the last word on hope hicks. i've been told to stay on an anything can happen footing when it comes to general kelly. not that something would, but something could. what is your sense about hope's job security at this hour? >> i don't know. i mean, certainly all the reporting i've done indicates that john kelly's job is more in jeopardy than hers. but we also know that there is a mercurial president who makes decisions on a whim and you'll recall when he got rid of reince priebus as chief of staff, it was in a tweet as reince priebus was walking off air force one to get into the motorcade. decisions like this happen whenever trump feels like it. i'm not going to read his mind,
argument, and that he is racist, as you've heard, obviously, and that his views on immigration are un-american. that's the ground they want to fight on. they want to make this a proxy fight over his views on immigration. they don't want to take him on on jobs or how the market is doing. and so, that's the bed here. there's a lot of energy in the democratic base, political base, leading up in this election year, leading up to 2020, about where were you, did you stand up to trump and by proxy, the republicans? so, i think that's what's driving a lot of this right now, and i think this may be the best moment of leverage. with a little bit more space, they might just be able to get a bigger deal that a mercurial president may be able to deal with. >> the president likes to call himself a dealmaker. he's done it a lot. i want to show you all the times that he's talked about that. >> we need somebody with great energy, with great passion, with great deal-making skills. i'm going to make the great
fight over his views on immigration. they don't want to take him on jobbing or h jobs or how the market is doing. and the base, leading up to the election year, to 2020, where were you, did you stand up to trump and by proxy the republicans. i think this is what's driving republicans and it may be the best moment of leverage. think might be able to get the bigger deal that a mercurial president may be able to deal with. >> i want to show a little benefit all the times he's talked about being a deal maker. >> we need somebody with great flerg, wi energy, with great passion, with great deal-making skills. >> i am going to make great deals for our country. what i do is deals, i do deals.