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Gotten something bipartisan that would have been more reasonable and -- because we had plenty of time it doesn't take effect until 2014. i make a joke, but there's some truth we had to be in session because we hadn't been in session christmas eve since 1895. >> greta: does this tax does it apply to everybody who has a cadillac plan? are unions the only ones exempted until -- >> you can have people that live side by side some are union, some are not and they are going to be treated differently that's the way the bill passed the house of representatives. no, that's the way the bill pass the sena...

The bill? everyone else's attacks going up or just the cadillac plans -- else's taxes going up or just the cadillac plans? >> no everybody. when they say they have a revenue neutral billet me tell you how that game is played here in washington common sense of the midwest would not justify this you have tax increases right now but you don't have this program go into effect until 2014. you have 10 years of taxes. five or six years of expenditure. you can balance almost anything that way that's at game pheublgs an that are behind this -- gimmicks that are behind this bill. if you do like the budg...

Second. the problem with that strategy is, they can't fix everything that's wrong with the senate bill. and it has been a long time since house democrats voted for the bill. remember, they only had three votes to spare. they've lost those three votes right now. so speaker pelosi would have to pick up other votes somewhere. in the meantime the bill has become much more objectionable to people, the public opinion has turned around. it was about 50/50 then now it is 2 will have 1 again the bill. i don't think -- 2-one against the bill. >> greta: speaker pelosi want to go first before the senate? ...

Wild about this reconciliation idea? >> listen, they don't need to use reconciliation. you know right this very minute, the house of representatives could convene and pass the senate bill by a majority vote. just a majority vote not a super majority in the house of representatives, go to the president right now. they don't need to use reconciliation if they are talking about getting a bill passed by 51 votes, mere majority, already passed the senate. just let the house pass it. if they want to get a health care bill right now. >> greta: the house doesn't like the senate bill. >> what are they ...

Senate. we have used reconciliation to amen a bill that hasn't already been law. >> greta: are you distinguishing in from the welfare bill passed by reconciliation? >> we are ing -- we are distinguishing it two i was. one, i just said they are going to use reconciliation to fix a bill that hasn't been sent to the president yet. that that's never been done before. the second thing significant about in different than any other reconciliation you can talk about this is a massive restructuring of 1/6 of our entire economy. when you do something that massive affecting life and death with 300 millio...