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transcript. whether he now faces more heat that changes his mind we've seen before, that's how far in he is, the person you see on your screen, not well-known but long loyal military aide and personal aide to donald trump in the post-presidency. i want to read some more from this. we have so much new material with regard to katy's point that donald trump has long avoided texts and emails, but he hasn't stopped everyone else from using them on his behalf. here you have january 13th, 2022, the doj reading from page 19 says nauta texted trump employee 2 about trump personally, quote, tr...

Subpoena with his name on it very soon. >> and explain this concept of spoilation of evidence with regard to mr. barr. it is a legal concept i guess that has to do with what might have happened in terms of hiding the evidence of -- or covering up evidence of a crime. barbara. >> oh, for me. sure. i mean, i think we heard someone say earlier this idea of consciousness of guilt. when evidence is withheld, there is crimes of obstruction of justice. and sometimes people dismiss that as mere process crimes. but prosecutors consider those to be some of the most significant crimes there are because i...

The third, and i think the most likely candidate here is we are going to get a full blown, very complete factual recitation of many of flynn's crimes, why? that's going to be some more important messaging with respect to what the investigation has. >> glen makes a good point about the messaging of if you lie to folks, we will charge that, come after that. and the first two pleas, papadopoulos and flynn are lying, people didn't get the message. everyone else is lying down the chain, including michael cohen lying to congress and people amending their statements and now manafort. and manafort's t...

>> although we should note, today was the flynn sentencing memo. and there was no -- there was no promise or tipoff from them about what would be in it. other than parts of it would be public. they did a rare on the record statement from the spokesperson for that office. friday's filing, which is about paul manafort, they have said we will lay out the lies and crimes of paul manafort in that document. what do we make -- given what we have here and the redactions we have here and the sort of keeping things in the black box, what do we make? >> here's the thing about that. if paul manafort's cri...

Have they stumbled upon something else that has arisen? there was also that more detailed memo that rosenstein provided to mueller. we saw a glimpse of that in the manafort filings, where he broke down some specific matters that robert mueller was to look into. that too was heavily redacted, we don't know all the things they're looking at. it suggests there's something related to all of this, that michael fling is also cooperating about. that remains a secret as well. peace of it, as well as the obstruction of justice peace of it, or it could be something entirely different. we've used this an...