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I think what we're really trying to do here is to compliment the efforts of the administration, who frankly are spread very thin just trying to do the day-to-day running of the covid response, where you don't have the luxury to step back and think over what should be the strategy, which should be the benchmarks. we have that luxury. and so we came together to put together these different articles, outlining what we see the future strategy should be moving forward, and how to get there. >> the cdc under donald trump, in the days of covid, i'm trying to say this on television without swearing or...

>> that's correct, ali. i think what we are really trying to do here is to compliment the efforts of the administration who, frankly, are spread very thin, just trying to do the day-to-day back and to t what should be the strategy and what should be the benchmarks. we have that luxury. so we came together to put together these different articles outlining what we think the future strategy should be moving forward and how to get there. >> the cdc under donald trump in the days -- the beginning days of covid. i am trying to say this on television without swearing or something. it was a mess. a m...

Just ruining life for republicans in the senate. >> oh, yeah. democrats absolutely feel he's been a huge thorn in the side. he's a messaging nightmare. and when it comes to senate parliamentary procedure, which is something you and i happen to have the benefit of knowing a little bit about. he's also a liar. and it makes republicans look really bad. there is such a thing as a real filibuster that you go to the floor and try to make that point. and every so often it gets grandly covered. when we went down for his nonfilibuster because there was no an actual cloture motion he was dealing with, i...

He's a messaging nightmare. and when it comes to senate parliamentary procedure, which is something you and i happen to have the benefit of knowing a little bit about. he's also a liar. and it makes republicans look really bad. there is such a thing as a real filibuster that you go to the floor and try to make that point. and every so often it gets grandly covered. when we went down for his nonfilibuster because there was no an actual cloture motion he was dealing with, it was not a filibuster, according to what senators care about, which is the rules that they are governed by, he went online ...

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