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Yes, he does. >> right, why not stick to that, though, rather than, i mean, this idea of people going in and out of cars wearing disguises in numbers so massive that it affects, you know, the popular vote is ludicrous. >> when -- when i was running conventions for cruz in the primary, we were winning the state conventions while the president was winning more primaries. it wasn't that -- obviously senator cruz won some of them as well, but we were coming away with delegates far out of proportion to the primary results, and they couldn't catch up to us. and their strategic response was a messagi...

Couldn't catch up to us. and their strategic response was a messaging response. it was when you have this two-level election, that's not a fair system, that's a rigged system, and, look, that messaging worked. it worked. >> that's the lesson he's taking away, that this works. >> it worked. and i understand even put fairly why that message worked because it isn't what people are used to, but it was the rules in place at the time. so when you -- when you start to get outside people's expectat n expectations, you invite exactly that kind of attack and it worked for him there and in florida it def...

fight with lyndon johnson over medicare and the words he used was that it would compel all americans to spend their sunset years telling their children and their children's children how it was when men were free, and that is what it is like. and however, medicare has been sustained and approved, but the public sentiment lay ahead. one thing we have not gotten and what the president has been trying to do today which as you say is to make a clear understanding of what this bill is about. because lincoln said with public sentiment nothing can fail and without it nothing can succeed. so ...