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But he is standing by some of the programs because it has protected our security. >> you were nodding. you're here on the set with me so i can see you nodding as we were going through some of this. and we put up what the association press wrote talking about an unusual coalition of conservative republicans and democrats have taken up the issue. so we don't see this bipartisanship. it sounds you have weird bedfello bedfellows. >> this is exactly the thing that brings strange bedfellows together. libertarian, democrats, a federal judge who is aped by former president george bush was the of the m...

Little while ago. this independent review of the nsa surveillance program is in, and this review board has come down with new recommendations. thas say this controversial bulk collection, this metadata collection, will remain in place, but they're recommending tighter constraints, greater transparency from the ns ark. we're continuing to follow this story, of course. our national security reporter is sitting in a briefing on this exact story right now, so as soon as we get him out of the meeting, we will update that story for you. now to something making waves in new york city, this strip se...

Way the government gets things wrong. why is this the one exception where the think the government will get it all right, not concerned at all about the fourth amendment of our constitution? >> i actually am concerned about the intelligence community, they get a lot of things wrong, and they are all like all bureaucracies, they justify spending ever more money. i'm worried as a matter of intelligence that we are focusing and depending too much probably on this metadata collection. so i'm perfectly happy to criticize the nsa. when i was in government 20 years ago i had my criticism. i'm not, ot...

Hamburg, germany, a fact we tend to gloss over. top german officials admitted information from u.s. intelligence has disrupted several terrorist plots inside germany itself. this is a complicated picture. >> we're talking about millions of phone calls all in secret without the knowledge of those people in those countries on foreign soil. why is it -- why is it wronging to asking that question of whether or not this is legal or even right to do such a thing? >> well, i think legal is one question. spaunl is generally illegal when you're doing it. that's part of the rules of the game. that's why...

Look, the government has lots of oceans of data. the govement demands that i tell them every penny i make and how i made it. that also is in one sense an invasion of privacy. but there's a larger national purpose, which that serves. that same applies to this metadata collection. what do we do with the data? what we do, chris, let me give you an example. we roll up a terrorist cell, let's say yemen, which james rosen referred to in his piece, we roll up a terrorist cell there, find a cellphone about which we had no knowledge prior to that raid. we take that cellphone number, metaphorically, we ...