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Of the main arguments you and others have made for the program is that by providing people with legal defense it gets people out of detention. they can fight their cases from outside of detention. the government is not spending money on detention. you know, being detained is a barrier to stopping your deportation. so getting out of at tof detent helps stop the deportation. this representation doesn't fwarn tea that peopguarantee thl be allowed to stay here. >> just like having a public defender does not keep you out of jail but it does give you an access to constituents issue. marina, thank yo...

Sources that might have another view of nelson mandela or if they do they'll discount them because of their trusted sources of information. and so i don't know if information is more balkanized than before but at least in this instance on these sorts of issues it absolutely is vulcanized. >> the notion that mandela targeted people for being white is sort of imperally false, right, so as much as there may be ideological ways of reading there's also just sort of reading. khalil mohammed and marcus marbury, marcus has a piece in "the new york times" on the this morning. you should take time to re...

Every summer when he came to visit on making pie or some kind of dessert and it paid off. >> beth, who do you teach to make pie? how do we learn intergenerationally at this point to make pie? >> are you talking to me? >> yes. >> i don't know, start them young. when i teach pie classes, i get multi-generations all at once, i get three generations worth, and it's interesting that a lot of the grandmothers, they never learned how to make pie. trying to set the record straight on that. it's just simple and it's so fulfilling. you know, you get your hands in the flour, and i agree with rose on the ...

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With the worst rate in the nation. also disgraceful, the nonaction by legislators. 15 gun bills were introduced. 12 expand gun access or block federal efforts. and while children take bullets on the streets of new orleans, louisiana lawmakers are making sure guns are more available than ever. still wi joining us now is msnbc political analyst and former aide to george h.w. bush joe watkins and jermaine lee, who's exclusive new report of what's going on in louisiana is up on mhpshow.com. you have a quote in this piece that i want to turn into a billboard all over the state of louisiana that say...