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So what they want to do is both that artilly piece combined with the radars that the administration has given. as soon as russia starts firing artillery, they want to fire back and stop that artillery from shooting so that the ukrainian forces can attack the forces that they are trying to make the break through. russian artillery is deadly, john. they have a lot of it. they practice that extensively, unlike some of the other things they do. so artillery is a killer on the russian battlefield, and the ukrainians want to stop that. >> this is a lot of equipment as you say. the urgency is not jus...

Really now scrambling to get the ukrainians the kinds of weapons they've been asking for to try to have a defense -- a proper defense against russia, particularly in the donbas area. we have on the screen the list of some of the weapons that are going to be headed towards ukraine. i know you're familiar with them. some of this is different from what we have seen before. how much will actually require training for the ukrainians to use them? this isn't necessarily just to pick up and go kind of situation, is it? >> no. counterbattery radars, though, have already been delivered to ukraine so the...

Just in the next short term. but congress had been pushing the biden administration to do more to consider more in the run up to approving that big package of aid. and now the administration is in a position where they really want to do that and they're very much leaning into that. >> and they have this -- they are being pushed to be more aggressive from congress but also truly rare bipartisan moments where you have just about everybody saying, help, help, help. the pressure from congress and it's unmistakable whether it's sanctions or this package. calls from congress have made the administra...

President zelenskyy said i needed them. they are now in the package. why? >> zelenskyy wants every tool he can possibly get because of what they are facing in the donbas. the mi-17, look, it could potentially be vulnerable to russian anti-air. but they're going to get some of these in there. i think the problem remains getting them in fast enough to make that difference right off the bat. as general hertling is saying, you don't want the russians to gain one inch in the donbas. if you can assemble this range of arms to stop them in their tracks. so the helicopters will be important, and one of...

Prosecutors who are walking around in some of these ruined suburbs, villages outside of the city. it's a terrible sight. it's a nightmare and it's one that's going to continue to haunt this ukrainian capital. >> mike memoli, obviously, that brings a real punctuation mark to what president zelenskyy said in that sound that we heard which is, arm ukraine now to defend freedom. two questions from your vantage point at the white house. first, there's a long list of new equipment the u.s. is sending after president biden and president zelenskyy spoke for, i guess, about an hour. are those things re...