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Similarly there is the developing story from the "new york times" that the white house chief of staff and white house counsel wrote memos it file, which are apparently somewhere inside the white house right now expressing their concern and their objections to the president overruling national security officials to give his son-in-law jared a security clearance, despite whatever turned up in jared's background that led national security officials to not clear him before the president intervened. has that ever happened before, and b, does history tell us whether or not we ever get to see those w...

Sources and methods and, you know, the precedent is, for instance, jay oppenheimer famously had a security clearance withheld by dwight eisenhower in 1954. some of the documents pertaining to that took 60 years to come open. i hope we don't have to wait that long. we may get a leak. we may get people talking about what's in them. >> nbc presidential historian michael beschloss, i knew you would know. really appreciate you being here, michael. thanks. >> my pleasure. always. >> all right. more to come. stay with us. stay with us (mom) it sure is. (mom vo) a lot of everything. over all the years...

Mueller investigation before they started talking about wanting to obtain the president's tax returns. it now sounds like they have tasked staff attorneys on that committee with pursuing them. >> that's right. >> i'm struck by the president's reported sensitivity, specifically on the issue of deutsche bank. his relationship with this bank, his personal finances, his business finances. for maxine waters to that deutsche bank is handing over materials when we know what they've asked for -- that seems like, i mean, banking materials, financial stuff that the president wants hidden that he's very ...

A clearance in this -- in this way is one thing. that's a -- that's a whole kettle of fish. i actually -- i'm very -- my interest is piqued though by the existence of these memos. as a historian, what can you tell us about whether we might ever see those memos? >> well, number one, mcgahn and kelly would not have written those memos saying they objected to the security clearance unless it was pretty bad and they wanted to get on the record that they were opposing a decision that was being made that they thought was damaging to national security. the problem in term of your and my finding out w...