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Don't think moscow is not noticing that. don't think that putin is not noticing that. we are really in a position to help them with ground munitions and this is largely being fought on the ground. it can make a difference. >> to claire's point, michael, this is the latest estimate of how it's going and i think it's fair to say that ukraine exceeds the expectations that were held by the west 15 days ago. russia lost hundreds of vehicles. 15 to 20 fixed wing aircraft. estimated 20 to 25 helicopters. current u.s. assessment has as we reported at the top that it will take russia one to two weeks t...

Attack all the more horrifying. thank you so much for being with us from lviv and joining us again with the great reporting and wonderful to see you both. joining the conversation is political analyst claire mccaskill and michael crowly. michael, to you first. it feels like the phase of the effort that courtney is talking about, the accurate dissemination of the intelligence about the amassing of troops on the ukraine border, about ramping up the numbers as putin is saying he was de-escalating. that phase may have ended and now it is a matter of helping to prepare the ukrainians from whatever ...

Were to come to that. >> thank you for staying up late tonight for your reporting. claire and michael, there's already talk in this country and there's a lot of history with presidents of red lines. this is what adam kinzinger tweeted today. what is the red line with putin? what will it take for the u.s. to act? the threat of putin using chemical attacks in ukraine is very real. this is about humanity and doing what's right. what is the reaction to questions about red lines, michael? >> well, you know, you don't get a specific red line. i think we saw in the obama administration a clear illust...

Create a safe zone. it's quite clear that the rest of the west does not buy that view. >> thank you very much. and joining me now from washington, "new york times" white house correspondent covering foreign policy, michael crowly. the president treated that he will obliterate the economy of turkey if they do something that he believes to be off limits. i'm not sure if we yet have an answer to what exactly he means there. today he released a statement saying turkey has committed to protecting civilians. you just heard mark stone say there that the international community doesn't believe them. h...

Little maybe neglectful. he should be punished. it wasn't a secret that he went -- that he went to that dinner. there are photos of him sitting next to putin. they were commented on during the campaign. i think the tushlg turkey issue. that was while he was national security advisor by trump campaign. quasi-islamist government, doesn't reveal that the day after trump wins he puts the op-ed in one of the washington newspapers making a pro-turkey case. then president trump hires him as national security advisor. i sort of -- that's i think the more interesting story, right, what influence he had...