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Don't think moscow is not noticing that. don't think that putin is not noticing that. we are really in a position to help them with ground munitions and this is largely being fought on the ground. it can make a difference. >> to claire's point, michael, this is the latest estimate of how it's going and i think it's fair to say that ukraine exceeds the expectations that were held by the west 15 days ago. russia lost hundreds of vehicles. 15 to 20 fixed wing aircraft. estimated 20 to 25 helicopters. current u.s. assessment has as we reported at the top that it will take russia one to two weeks t...

And we're back. now to the debate over government spying. i spoke with the head of the senate intelligence committee, democrat from kat dianne feinstein as well as the chair of the house intelligence committee, both the intelligence chairs. republican from michigan mike rog persons it was their only interview together since obama's important speech on friday. senator feinstein is, chairman rogers welcome back. good to have you both. so the future of spying it seems to me is very much like the president's. do you view this as a big victory, chairman rogers. >> i thought the most important victo...

I spoke with the head of the senate intelligence committee, democrat from kat dianne feinstein as well as the chair of the house intelligence committee, both the intelligence chairs. republican from michigan mike rog persons it was their only interview together since obama's important speech on friday. senator feinstein is, chairman rogers welcome back. good to have you both. so the future of spying it seems to me is very much like the president's. do you view this as a big victory, chairman rogers. >> i thought the most important victory was the president standing up and saying the program di...

Victory, chairman rogers? >> i thought the most important victory was the president standing up and saying the program did not have abuse. this wasn't sinister. it was legal and proper. some of the suggestions how to move forward i have some concerns with, but i thought it was an important -- really an important role for the president to play. i wish he would have played it seven months ago but i was glad to hear it yesterday. >> so edward snowden whatever you think of him leaks these documents, the information about these programs. and senator feinstein, there's a big hue and cry, but basi...

Remember, we did that thing. we had that has meeting and all those rnussians. it's problematic, because we keep catching them in lies and they keep withholding information. so if you didn't do anything, you should want this to exonerate you and you should believe fully in the process that it will exonerate you. >> why bring this kind of pressure -- exert this kind of pressure on lawmakers, especially when the president is under so much scrutiny already? >> the report in the new york stooi times is that he said to burr, was, let's get this over with. something like that. and roy blunt said it w...