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Michael gearhardt. michael, your legal expertise and historical expertise here, the house with this vote is establishing rules but also granting privileges rights to the other side, to republicans. they can call their own witnesses. the president's lawyers will be able to participate, although there are limits on that because they could subpoena witnesses, but that has to be approved by the democratic chair. tell us historically, are the rights now being granted to the other side? are they in line with what we've seen in past impeachment inquiries? >> they're not just only in line with what's ...

President not want this person to testify? >> and that is a point we should note that it's likely to see articles of impeachment both on abuse of power related to the actual ukraine pressure but also on obstruction of justice. the response to the investigation. shan wu, michael gerhardt, we know we'll be drawing on your expertise in the weeks n monand months. a major vote in just minutes. we'll bring to to you live. critical testimony under way today as well. stay with us for all the details as they come in. plus, another story we're following. new fires, more of them breaking out in south...

Seen as well some of these witnesses. michael, of course the other drama playing out beyond the house floor and these are live pictures from the house floor as these proceedings get under way is in the courts because a couple of key witnesses have challenged the house subpoenas to come testify, including now charles kupperman but john bolton saying he needs a subpoena if he's going to come testify. how do you see the courts deciding on that? this will be a key question going forward. >> it should be a relatively straightforward question for the courts. defying a subpoena and just not showing u...

Testimony. >> michael, before we go, the essential question here is a political one. does the president's alleged behavior here rise to crimes and misdemeanors. many of the details of the behavior were not contested. the question was, did it rise to that level? you are getting to a point here with all these corroborating witnesses that you're in the same bind. from your view historically and again, this is a personal judgment, does it rise to that level? >> i think everything we're hearing so far suggests that as the speaker has said, this is deadly serious. i think there's a good case to be m...

>> sara, pamela brown, elliot williams, michael gearhardt, thank you.