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One of america's longest-running armed conflicts, launched march 20th, 2003, the war has claimed the lives of thousands of u.s. troops. vice chair of the house armed services committee and veteran of the iraq war where he received the bronze star. democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland. also with us, senior political scientist at the rand corporation, michael mezar, author of the new book about the u.s.'s decision to invade iraq entitled "leap of faith: huberis, negligence and america's greatest foreign policy tragedy." >> i wonder if you consider iraq to be america's greatest

To be articulated on the front end. congress just abdicated its responsibility. for iraq and afghanistan it's time for congress to come back and have a debate so we can make decisions about, you know, how long are we going to continue to be in afghanistan and to what extent are we going to accept the proliferation of military operations around the globe based on those amufs. >> michael, let me ask you about this leap of faith, this huberis, this negligence and what you call america's greatest tragedy, policy tragedy. how is it -- of course, we see that very clearly 16 years later. how is it at...