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Temptation to cater the crowd, to have a popular opinion in the media. you know, most state department operations and negotiations are secret and in the back room for a reason. if we want to impose our will on some government, we need to do so in a disciplined way and not necessarily through the public -- through the public and through the media and through these -- all over the map statements by the obama administration. martha: the most frustrating part of this is it feels limited really in terms of what the united states can do to effect the outcome of this situation. let me go to doug and ...

Against the northern minorities that are in his government so he's a very crafty guy. i don't think he's a particularly brave man but he's a very, very crafty man. >> michael, should the president of the united states cancel karzai's visit in may? >> i think, yes. i think here we clearly have created a puppet we can't even control. the reality for him is that he can't stand a day without our bayonets so he's looking for other help and that's in the taliban. >> all right. michael, former c.i.a. operative, thank you very much for joining us today from d.c. thank you, sir. >> thanks, mike. meanwh...

Years down the road but michael, as you know, we're putting 30,000 more troops in, a major operation in marjah and then kandahar. what a way to say the u.s. back off, i like china and iran better. >> i think, though, to be fair, what we're doing in afghanistan is simply marking time. our major operation worked in marjah as long as our 10,000 people were there. as soon as they left, the taliban came back. now, we've given the taliban and its allies three months head start to get out of kandahar. so, you know, what it comes down to if you're not going to kill the enemy and win, there's very litt...

>> yeah. kevin, that's reminiscent of what they did with the mine a couple of years ago, not far from there. and i remember that taking a number of days. do you have any idea how long this particular operation will take to bore that hole down to where the men may be? >> well, it's about 1,200 feet to drill down from the surface into the mine. we have to go through a couple of abandoned coal seams which takes a little more time and we're going to do it as quickly as possible but just a rough guess of maybe two days. >> the administrator of the mine safety and health administration, the federal ...

That are close to him so it would be -- it would be huge. >> is it your understanding, danielle, that the president has the power to do that? >> yes. that's -- i believe so. >> danielle, what kind of message is that to the terrorists who understand what we can and can't do, that these navy seals would be in court with the guy they captured after two years of trying to track him down with a chance of putting him away. what kind of message is that to the terrorists? >> well, i think it sends a terrible message to the terrorists as well as to the people that are fighting for our country so it's a...