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And the coordination through wikileaks and roger stone and don jr. i think are in his crosshairs for that. >> michael, it's important to clarify this report from the "wall street journal" that roger stone pushed back and said that he was in l.a. the night he allegedly said in an e-mail he had dinner with asan j but assange has had guests. roger stone saying in public and tweets in other ways that he had been in communication with wikileaks. podesta's time the barrel is coming. before the e-mails were released and that intersection of interests. >> it's not isolated. the famous tweet hillary cl...

Outsmart. that's the key. anything else that plays into his psyche as it relates to that sit down i think is important to us. >> michael, there's also some new "wall street journal" reporting about this possible meeting between roger stone, okay, long-time trump associate and friend and wikileaks julian assange. i think we've gone over there because i interviewed sam noneberg about this. roger stone says he was joking with sam nunberg that he had dinner one night with julian assange saying he was trying to get out of a dinner with sam nunberg and sam nunberg took it seriously and he says, i th...

It also then which authorizes bob mueller and his team to look at some of the ukrainian work that paul manafort has done including the fact that he had been charged with some of the money laundering, the government claiming that some of the money he received from the ukrainians that he was working for and hid it in offshore accounts, didn't pay taxes for it. this is a controversy here in terms of on the side of the manafort team. they've been claiming that mueller has overstepped his boundaries and that his scope in the investigation of manafort and his past money dealings and clearly this fil...

So the cooperation might help flynn, you know. we don't know what he's being asked and, you know, kushner might be defending him in these meetings, to be fair. >> why would mueller's team be so interested in a plea deal with flynn if he didn't have something big to tell him, john? >> i don't think they will be interested in a plea deal unless he does have something big to tell him. they don't -- they probably have not put flynn in front of a grand jury at this point. they haven't really probed him to see if -- what he wants to talk about or what the story his attorney mentioned to the congress...

Them? >> flynn is so interesting because he had the most interactions with russia. he was the one attending the dinner with putin before the campaign. and it is, pam's essentially right, this is more and more pressure on flynn, you know, repeated contacts with the russians during the campaign. you know, the pressure that flynn's son might face charges and it's very methodical and clearly flynn is the focus here. >> more about flynn than kushner. >> yes. and to be fair to the white house, they're cooperating. kushner did go and meet today, he turned over these documents. there's questions about...