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What they're trying to do is move people off those platforms, in my opinion, to conservative apps. if they can move this -- this partition happened in cable news. we saw people move their audiences to different information outlets. if they can do that, it is a way to bypass these social media platforms when it comes to campaign time and you can hone your message. >> that feels like a bad world. i'm concerned about how people choose cable tv based on their politics. is there a way to avoid it? maybe people should go to a conservative facebook or conservative twitter. >> so, ali, i personally th...

Of a lot of people who weren't sure about who they liked in the campaign. and that was incredibly effective. and obviously, if you create hermetically sealed, you won't be able to do thats as effectively. the problem i had with yesterday's hearing was it focused entirely on foreign actors behaving badly. and i think we were ignoring the almost certain bad acting that's going to come from domestic players in the 2018 midterms. using the russian play book, potentially even using the cambridge analytica data set. especially using micro targeting on instagram, on facebook and other platforms in or...

Was, you know, an american element to the russian interference in our election. what do you know about patten's role at cambridge analytica, with the parent firm of cambridge analytica. that's something we know from your reporting but we didn't see anything about it explicitly in the charging documents today. >> right. there are two things are really interesting about the parent company of cambridge analytica. in 2014 he started working in oregon for the parent company scl and he was focusing on micro targeting which we know is a big part of trump campaign's data operation in 2016. so he was w...

What do you know about patten's role at cambridge analytica, with the parent firm of cambridge analytica. that's something we know from your reporting but we didn't see anything about it explicitly in the charging documents today. >> right. there are two things are really interesting about the parent company of cambridge analytica. in 2014 he started working in oregon for the parent company scl and he was focusing on micro targeting which we know is a big part of trump campaign's data operation in 2016. so he was working on that. and then he ended up working for cambridge analytica again in a ...

Case actually proven in court. the key thing i think for people to remember is that while we certainly should be concerned, about the russians engaging in this kind of activity, with each year you and the kgb have done is no different than what they did throughout the entire cold war. engaging in disinformation campaigns. >> it is different now do think because we have social media, emails and a whole lot more ways to get directly to people which is what they did which they really did micro-targeting. >> there is no question that technology makes it more effective. if you look at the history o...