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Their bellies and what they dream of. >> if the dream is that your children will one day go to college, here the dream is to -- >> leave the country and make a living in the united states. >> leave the country. >> the parents here believe that making it is actually leaving guatemala for the united states. >> i will go to step further, and ily say they want to go to north guatemala which is the united states. >> about 35 states of the united states. >> and we understand that relationships not only from guatemala, but they arrive in the u.s. and so many people over decades made this migration pa...

Have a huge deterrent effect on the flow. that's a very important step. >> sandra: so deterrence is the key goal but this has to be approved b by a federal judge because this will immediately be challenged in court. >> certainly this will be litigated. we carefully considered over 100,000 comments from stakeholders across the spectr spectrum. and that was when we published the first draft rule. this final rule has great faith and fidelity for the original purposes and the changes in the migration pattern. and that allows us to take the immigration portion.

Specifically, honduras and guatemala are dealing with internal terrorism and that's the principle result of this flow of human being, largely families, not individuals the way it was 10, 12 years ago towards the texas border, to get into this country. yet it's not just this administration, the trump administration that has reacted with indifference to the political and criminal problems in the countries, it goes back several years. and this might be just a situation where we are unable to do anything because we let it go on for so long within the country themselves. >> every person that studie...

Climate related to the migration pattern? >> that's not clear about central america but it is clear about florida. there's two cities. miami and miami beach. people in miami beach are quite wealthy and can aafford have so-called mitigation sea walls. but middle class and lower income in miami cannot aafford have their cars flooded once a month or wheel wells flooded once a month and they're going to move north in florida. are they going to abandoned their mortgages? what is the economic effect of that? it's far reaching. and i understand it's very troubling for a lot of us to think a human spe...

We certainly know that. basically immigration enforcement is tied to the flow of people. when there is an increased flow of people, detention and deportation are mechanisms and lawful tools that any administration can use and they've been used in the past. you know, there's -- no one can take credit for an increased migration pattern of those from honduras or central america. there are things going on in those countries that are leading people to leave. >> julia, always great to have you. i appreciate you weighing in. >> thanks. you too. there's a whole lot of politics involved here. or at l...