we certainly know that. basically immigration enforcement is tied to the flow of people. when there is an increased flow of people, detention and deportation are mechanisms and lawful tools that any administration can use and they've been used in the past. you know, there's -- no one can take credit for an increased migration pattern of those from honduras or central america. there are things going on in those countries that are leading people to leave. >> julia, always great to have you. i appreciate you weighing in. >> thanks. you too. there's a whole lot of politics involved here. or at least it will become political. here's how the candidates are responding already to this plan. bernie sanders blasted the plan saying "we must take steps to protect children and families seeking refuge here. not cast them out. donald trump, very different reaction. as i mentioned, he is taking credit for the plan. tweeting this. "wow, because of the pressure put on by me, ice, immigration