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And he was the guest of bill clinton. it just was really heart-felt. a real difference-making strategy is being implemented. and we're going to have lots of criticism of that strategy. be clear. the aclu is not going to love everything that the president does. and we were -- are concerned about his militarization comments today, and we want to work on that executive order. but he's talking about specific action. >> what was it that bugged you, that you think would be an aclu problem, a civil liberties problem? >> well, i think that the -- on the militarization piece, that he down played the nu...

Problem, a civil liberties problem? >> well, i think that the -- on the militarization piece, that he down played the number of military-grade weapons that are going to police departments as only 4%. but people don't understand, that translates to thousands and hundreds of tanks, of humvees, of m-14s and m-15s, and there's no accountability once these police departments get these materials. so we need to drill down a little more on this, and we are hopeful that the president will entertain some of our concerns. and i asked him a question about this. the congress is currently trying to up the a...