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The other thing that happened since the indictment is the democratic response to the nunes memo, which also was a big hit for trump and his surrogates, so i think he's trying to get back to drumming up the support from his base on this because he's not finding a lot of support in the actual facts here. >> and mimi, when hope hicks admits to white lies, she's already been before mueller whom i presume reserves the right to preserve her, what's the legal fact to that when she admits to having told white lies. >> well, there are no white lies when you're talking about a grand jury investigation. ...

Contends the russia matter is a hoax. we are so fortunate to be joined by two veterans both former u.s. assistant attorneys for the southern district of new york. jennifer rogers now executive director of the columbia law school center the advancement of public integrity and mimi roca at the pace university school of law. just the tweet, two words, witch hunt. from the view of a fed, if you're on mueller's staff and see that again this morning what does it do? >> i think this has been the refrain coming from the white house the entire time. this is a witch hunt. all this after the 13 indictmen...

Interfered in the state electoral process and e-mail hacking. and also the new york attorney general and some other attorneys general look at the stateside against him to warn off against the possible presidential pardon here. we'll have to wait and see whether they work. >> mimi, complete this sentence in 15 seconds or less. jared kushner should be especially worried tonight because blank. >> because i think olot of information is coming out about his foreign entanglements. certainly an ethical problem and could be a criminal problem. it's about foreign influence on american politics, and he'...

Five trump insiders who mueller could tap as witnesses. mueller is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow morning, his first of two court appearances this week. our two former feds are back with us. jennifer rogers and mimi roca. mimi please explain what it's like to be under the influence of a federal investigation. what has gates' life been like in the period they've been getting him to flip, and now to what agree do they own his life now that he's signed this deal? >> well, i'm sure it's been very intense for him. recently when the document was

House the entire time. this is a witch hunt. all this after the 13 indictments of the russians showing in fact it's not a witch hunt. but here he is trying to stir things up again. the other thing that happened since the indictment is the democratic response to the nunes memo, which also was a big hit for trump and his surrogates, so i think he's trying to get back to drumming up the support from his base on this because he's not finding a lot of support in the actual facts here. >> and mimi, when hope hicks admits to white lies, she's already been before mueller whom i presume reserves the ri...