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bluff for cheseboro, setting the trial for october 23rd. the other 18 defendants will probably have their cases severed. the reason cheseboro did this, he is betting that willis' team will not be ready to try this complex case in a short order. but it is likely that the prosecutors are going to be more prepared than cheseboro's team. remember, they've been doing this for 2 1/2 years. fani willis said this trial, this case was going to be imminent back in january. in the last several months, she's been getting new evidence. she's been getting new witnesses to flip. they're going to be more prepared, i think, at trial than cheseboro and his lawyers will. >> yeah. you know, mimi, there are so many questions to ask here about what you would do if you were an attorney managing all of donald trump's cases, all of donald trump's attorneys. i don't know that many viewers understand just the great weight, the great burden that is
did not raise their hands. let's bring in our legal panel. state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. mimi roca, attorney for new york. and lisa ruben, outside the courthouse in fulton county. lisa, i'll start with you at the courthouse in fulton county and what you saw last night. the former president of the united states, with great fanfare, with a motorcade and tracking with wall-to-wall media coverage, his plane landing and leaving. but he was really only in this for a few minutes, was booked, 6'3", 215 were the numbers provided by him. he was not measured and weighed. strawberry blonde hair in his description there on the booking sheet. what was it like to be around it last night? what do you see coming now? the mugshot is this first step. what lays ahead? >> reporter: you know, willie, let's talk first about what lays ahead. because on monday, we have one of the most decisive days in this case or any of the criminal
an orange jump suit, having been convicted under the color of law for his crimes, they would still put him behind up for president of the united states. america, that's all you need to know. that's all you need to know. >> yeah, even if he were convicted of trying to steal an election in georgia or tried to steal nuclear secrets, america's nuclear secrets, and refused to return them. i want to go to our two active prosecutors. mimi and dave, like for you guys to just chime in on something that lisa said. she was talking about the possibility of some of these defendants trying to move as quickly as they can, to strike a deal, maybe get a better deal, and also to limit legal costs. i talked about the emotional burden that there has to be. there has to be a tremendous emotional burden to have one
jordan is not our boss. this is exactly what you said, it is performance art. it is a gesture. when he says, "hey, i want to find out if you coordinated with jack smith," really? we're state prosecutors. we work with federal prosecutors all the time. i had a meeting with the feds yesterday. so, yes, you can find out that we actually spoke with other federal counterparts. like, what a shock, the moon is not actually made out of cheese. you know, this is a pathetic act of sycophancy. >> mimi, circle back on the cost of rico cases. rico cases for people that, unlike donald trump, can't scam followers out of hundreds of millions of dollars for defense funds. >> yeah. i mean, look, any criminal case is expensive to defend. it's not like you're just paying your lawyer every time they have a court appearance. you're paying your lawyer to prepare for trial, to review, you know, the many, many voluminous documents in
case be severed from cheseboro and any defendant asking for a speedy trial. the judge advised that, at this time, he would only expedite the trial date for cheseboro. dave aronberg, how do you see this, the timing of all these trials unfolding? obviously, trump's only real ability to run from the law, at least in the state of georgia, is to delay. >> good morning, mika. i think the case in d.c., in front of judge chutkan, is going to go first. she seems to want to go on the rocket docket. the rico case in atlanta, i think it'll be delayed, except for cheseboro, because it is a complex, 19-person case involving rico. don't expect that to go anytime soon. now, fani willis, my counterpart up there, mimi's counterpart in fulton county, she called
fani willis' strategy in indicting 19 people, that some of them would flip and she wouldn't have to go to trial against all 19. look, rico cases are very expensive to defend, and they're trying to crowdsource the money, raise money online, and some of them are doing so. but they're all charged with rico, all 19. no matter how big or small their involvement in the scheme, it is a daunting task, intimidating. i expect a bunch of them to flip. to go at what you were saying about jim jordan, mimi and i are active prosecutors, joe, and jim jordan, it is rich that he is sending out, you know, demands for information and subpoenas to prosecutors, when he didn't comply with his own subpoena from the january 6th committee. you know, he needs to learn a little thing about separation of powers, you know. he is trying to get involved in an executive branch investigation, a prosecution, when he has nothing to do with it. that's one of the things that's great about this job we have as prosecutors, joe, is that jim
act of bringing charges. so you do it with the seriousness that it deserves. i am sure, as you've said, that these defendants are feeling the weight of that. some of them may plead out. people do plead out sometimes because they want to get out from under the costs and the burden of a trial. but some of them will go to trial, i'm sure. >> geez. >> and, you know, it's just fascinating, as someone who has been doing this for almost 20 years, to see something so ordinary play out in such a high-profile way, and have the country focused on the seriousness of this thing we call criminal justice. >> westchester county new york district attorney mimi roca and state attorney for palm beach, florida, dave aronberg, and political analyst lisa rubin, thank you, all, very much for
far-right are doing is something that you can do. i think it is going to be really, really, important to remain focused on and how organizing donald trump's incredibly organized, incredibly loyal, incredibly energetic movement. eye movement of deception and illusion. but there is a reason why no one else in his primaries coming close here. they have social media accounts. those of us who do not believe in authoritarianism in america are going to need to build a better, bigger. movement that should be the focus. >> fair enough. thank you very much. westchester county, d.a., mimi roca. thank you. katie phang, thank you, as well. we will be watching the katie phang show saturday and sunday around 8 am eastern right here on msnbc. still ahead on morning joe, how speaker kevin mccarthy gets asked about donald trump's arraignment. instead, turns the conversation to hillary clinton.
law? eastman said no, never before. then pence turns to trump and says, "see, your own attorney is saying this is b.s." that's all they got. jonathan, that's all they got. you know why? because they got nothing except stirring up you know what so right-wing, pro-trump outlets can twist the minds of viewers to try to chase them away from the truth. >> yeah, they have two options here. that, stirring up you know what, or, two, delay, delay, delay. mimi, that's where i want to go with you. it's all about timeline right now. it seems that what special counsel smith is doing, he's trying to keep this as narrow as he can. we talked about eastman, rudy giuliani earlier. they're co-conspirators, but they're not involved in this. they're not part of this. they haven't been charged.
two in january. a pyramid scheme lawsuit trial in the end of january. e. jean carroll's original defamation lawsuit in january. he has another in march and the mar-a-lago trial in may. there is a tight window between now and november of next year to get this particular case to trial. i agree with mimi, special counsel jack smith built this indictment for speed, but speed can be derailed by multiple witnesses like mike pence, other co-conspirators. there could be a challenge in getting donald trump to trial quick. >> i all taking place during a presidential election, in an attempt by donald trump to return to the white house. you've written and thought about and talked to us so much about authoritarianism over the last several years, but there is the theory out there that he wants to push this along as far as he can. all the trials, especially this