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Letter saying essentially we're not going to cooperate. that shows intent to obstruct. the question is whether they're going to include all of these other things like from the mueller investigation and what evidence should go in there from that investigation as well. there's a big debate going on right now. >> phil rucker, it strikes me that all the things that worked for them with mueller failed with impeachment. >> and we should keep in mind impeachment is a political process in the congress, right? and to heidi's point in her great reporting, it seems like pelosi's trying to be bulletproof ...

It is coming from the democratic caucus in the house. 20% of them are calling for impeachment proceedings to begin. just a few minutes ago on cnn, jim cliburn said he believes impeachment proceedings against the president have already begun. this is a new wave. i never heard any democrat save it to their mind impeachment is already begun. and -- >> >> let me play for you something rachel of msnbc could show, why