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This disaster. >> joining me from the white house labor secretary hilda solis who stood next to the president who ordered that review. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, tamron. >> let me ask you, this mine had a deeply troubling safety record. people ask after sago where 12 miners lost their lives, how are we still at this point? and even though the president's words were bold today, we know there are mines not doing the right thing by these miners. >> well, i think we have to go back to when the reforms occurred back in 2006 sarlgt of the last explosion that took a number of liv...

Avoid tougher enforcement last year, and how is that? >> well, essentially, the way this whole process is set up is that the companies that have violations, they have an incentive, essentially, to challenge these violations through a safety commission. and the process can take as long as 27 months. but in the end, they probably end up paying less than they would for an actual violation. so they have taken it upon themselves since this 2006 act, after that deadly sago blast, to just tie up the appeals process for as long as possible. at least, that's what it appears to have done. and because th...

Companies to look at the violations, fix the violations and apply them rather than fighting the violations as has become much more common practice since the miner act of 2006 to say, okay. we've got a problem. it's wrong. we're going to put the money in to fix it. i talked to don wooten who is the chief mine regulator for the state of west virginia, and he says while massey does do some good things and they do have a good safety plan, he says there seems to be a breakdown between that safety plan and applying it to the face of the mine which is where they're cutting the cola, way from. to some...

Individuals unaccounted for a chance that they might have gotten to a refuge chamber. we can't say it didn't work yet. but indications are that the majority of the miners did not have the opportunity to utilize some of the better things that were put into the miner act in 2006. we did -- the congressman made a good point. there was definitely a quicker response. this occurred at:00 p.m. and -- this occurred by 3:00 p.m. and by 3:00 in the morning we accounted for 18 of the 22 missing miners. if we look at the response times in the past it basically would not add up to what we saw yesterday. so...

Individuals unaccounted for, that they got to a refuge chamber, so we can't say it didn't work yet, but indications are that the majority of the miners did not have the opportunity to utilize some of the better things put into the miner act in 2006. we did have a -- congressman made a good point, it was a quicker response. this occurred at 3:00 and by 3:00 in the morning, we basically had gotten to the majority of the mine and accounted for 18 of the 22 missing miners. if we go back in time and look at this response times in the past, it basically would not add up to what we saw here yesterday...