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A better game than that when it comes to public humor. the idea he should resign over this. of all the things to be outraged about today they are going on in washington, d.c., this is so low on the totem pole as to be insignificant. >> dana: loved having you on "fox news sunday" and got to see you today. i'm having a great week already. thank you so much, marc. >> you were a great host. so much fun. >> bill: congress can't agree on much with a trillion dollar deal on infrastructure, however. will it be stopped by aoc and the squad? is the deal a good one to begin with? plus a father and son ch...

Defense on the part of the rueben family. we might see all those things over the course of the next week, two or three. this is going to be very interesting from a legal perspective. >> bill: and to touch on that, you as a defense attorney would argue that what is happening today would amount to a mini trial. would you agree with that? and would you -- no matter what they conclude would you have grounds for appeal? >> well, it will defend what happens. let's say the ruebens lose and they are bound to go to trial. we are so conditioned by tv bill it doesn't happen next week. if they are bound o...

Paul manafort's lawyers plan to fight the government on these allegations that he lied during those 12 times that manafort met with the mueller investigators. you'll remember that they had a cooperation agreement and the government decided, the mueller team decided to blow it up saying that manafort repeatedly lied during those times that he was supposed to be cooperating. we're expecting to hear whether or not they plan to fight the government on this and whether we're going to have essentially another mini trial to argue over these allegations. now, the one possibility here is that the manaf...

In march? >> the government thought manifort was helping more than he did. this is the problem. they say he lied. if his lawyers admit he lied they will indict him for purgely. if his lawyers deny he lied the federal judge can't sentence him until she determined if he lied. to make that determination she has to have a mini trial. that gives a window into mueller's thinking. we find out what they asked manifort what they claim he lied about. >> dana: and maria butina she arranged nra leaders to go to moscow to meet different people. i don't know what to make about that. >> this is another examp...

Litigation is going to go but bob mueller can also release other documents like he did yesterday when he filed with the trial judge saying he lied, the deal is off. manafort said he didn't lie. by manafort saying i didn't lie and in the course of the testimony -- >> shepard: a separate trial. >> a mini trial, shep. >> shepard: on the specific matter on whether he lied. >> if she did lie she can sentence him to more time in jail than if he didn't lie. what will come out of that hearing is probably a deep concern to the president because the prosecutors will say here's what he told us and here's...